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[–] MuhammadJesusGaySex@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I’d still write it. I wouldn’t excuse what they did. I’d simply point out that at least one person on the outside knows a different side of that person.

I don’t know the details of Danny’s case. I’m sure that he is an abhorrent human that deserves to be punished. I’m not trying to excuse what he did. I’m simply saying that if I were in Ashton’s shoes. I would have done the same thing.

[–] greenskye@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

That's fine, but you shouldn't run an anti sex-abuse organization if that's what you'd do. I think 'friends above all else' is incompatible with seeking to help and protect victims of abuse, many of which will never get justice precisely because their rapist's friends protected them.

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a conflict of interest for Kutcher. And he deserves all the bad publicity he's getting for it.

I agree, and I think stepping down is the right thing to do.

[–] Vampiric_Luma@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Do you truly know though? There have been countless cases of people performing sudden uncharacteristic and abhorent actions.

I'd never have expected my father to rape his own daughter, but we exist in this timeline. It's a fact.

Luka Magnotta's mother still has faith in her 'version' of Luke, but does she truly understand him or is she blinded by her emotions?

What are you actually writing then? Who are you really writing about?

I want you to know that I have typed out a response to you like 4 times. Every time it’s super long. This will be my attempt at condensing it.

As someone that was sexually abused as a child. I fully agree that you never truly know someone. That’s why you write a letter that says “I trust in the courts decision that my friend is guilty, but I never knew that side of them, and they will be missed”. Obviously that’s condensed down, but I think you get the point. You can say I love this person without absolving them of responsibility.

The reason I’m like this is because I was a heroin addict for years. All of my family, and most of my friends abandoned me. A select few friends and my partner came together and saved me. They gave me places to stay, and paid for and gave me rides to treatment.

Now, I am opiate free. I have kids, and I’m still alive. Hell, my best childhood friend died of a heroin overdose, and I adopted his kid.

My family abandoned me, but my friends didn’t.

To paraphrase Bud from Kill Bill. “I don’t dodge guilt, and I always pay my comeuppance.”

Anyway I’m falling asleep at the keyboard. So, I hope this all makes sense when you read it. I hope you have a good night.

[–] drewdarko@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

There are also countless cases of innocent people being convicted of crimes they didn’t commit. I’m not saying that happened here but it does happen.

[–] chromebby@kbin.social -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Just read Ashton's letter. I thought it'd be way worse judging by some of the comments here, but it wasn't that bad actually. He didn't make excuses, just asked for leniency during sentencing. Also brought up a good point about Masterson's daughter being left without a dad.

Edit: Idk about Mila's letter though lol. It was awkwardly super focused on the drug-free stuff and no mention of the rapes.

[–] Redditiscancer789@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The issue is he never wrote a single letter like that for all the people "his" charity put away. Infact he went so far as to say they deserve no leniency. I'm sure some of them had kids who will now also go without a parent.

Funny how he sung a different tune when he found out one of his best friends has been CONVICTED of raping two people.

[–] chromebby@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're right, that's pretty hypocritical!