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That’s quite the false equivalence you’ve made there
Nah, it's spot on
Really stupid. I mean REALLY stupid.
Yeah, thinking it's a false equivalence is really stupid
They're both reprehensible political extremist movements. BLM has the added stank of being a fraudulent money-laundering scam on top of it, too.
I guess the Summer of Love didn't happen.
Ahhh yes the BLM movement, famously known for lynching thousands of people just like the KKK!
Also, the KKK were only fighting to uphold their racist ideals. This is exactly the same as the BLM movement trying to fight against racism.
No false equivalence here!
Yes, both are extremist movements. One (BLM) doesn't want black people to be murdered in the streets, while the other (KKK) want to murder black people in the streets. What is wrong with you?
BLM's purpose is to create racial hatred and divide.
it seems you do that on your own. go on, tell us how many black friends you have now
Seems like you're the one doing it right now...
No, BLM wants to spread lies about society, burn down cities, murder people, and loot, and swindle your own movement out of millions of dollars.
Chauvin's prosecution was political.
Get out of here, racist.
Shut up, liar. Quit slandering people.
Still waiting for you to tell me how stating black lives matter is a divisive political statement.....
I'll spell it out for you:
It suggests that it needs to be said because there are lots of people who don't know it. However, everybody knows black lives matter, and it's an implication that everybody who doesn't adopt your race ideology is a racist. In reality, those who do are actually racists in denial and are projecting. I and a lot of other people feel this way.
Then, there are the people who subscribe to your ideology, who think that white people are racist and need to be told to stop being racist, and there are a fair number of people who believe that.
So, there are a lot of people who think one thing, and a lot of people who think another thing. Shouting your shibboleths in the street that declares your difference highlights the division that exists in society. That is what we call "divisive."
Oh, and since this is the first time I see you in this thread, I must say I'm sorry I wasn't able to divine that you were waiting for an explanation.
The BLM movement‘s purpose is to highlight the racial injustices black people face everyday in the United States especially in policing. Black neighborhoods are over-policed, their citizens are harassed and in the worst cases murdered in unprovoked situations by police officers. The fact that many people witness these injustices and either remain indifferent or choose to ignore them suggests that black lives do not matter in this country.
Supporting the movement doesn’t mean you automatically think all white people are racist. All it means is that you recognize the racial injustices in society and support people, legislation and the steps it takes to eliminate as many of these as possible. This is why when someone doesn’t support black lives matter, the implication can be viewed as racist. It implies that they wish to keep these injustices ingrained in society. Highlighting the division that still exists in society is the only way to solve these problems. How can you heal the wound if you “won’t even admit the knife is there”?
The BLM movement is astro-turfed into existence by scammers, but I do believe that there is a movement with a purpose that arose as a result. However, I think they're misguided, focusing on race instead of what the real problem is: policing. We have shitty police. They're ignorant, especially of law, and aggressive, and they're following bad orders. That's in the best case. In the worst case, they're corrupt. It doesn't just affect black people, it affects everyone. By making it a race issue you divide people by race and eliminate any possibility of getting any redress.
Yes, black people are disproportionately affected, but they're easy targets because they're disproportionately criminal. That's another thing BLM refuses to address. Why are black people disproportionately criminal? Democrats and the deep state have engineered them to be that way. They bribed fathers out of their homes, sold them crack, promised them free shit, lied to them, and utterly destroyed the black family. They have instantiated the school-to-prison pipeline in inner-city public schools.
If you really wanted to help black people, you'd tell them the truth. There is a solution and it's simple but difficult. Two things need to happen:
Do these two things, and the rest of the details surrounding these problems will solve themselves.
Have you ever thought about why black people are often criminalized or why so many kids grow up without dads? It’s due to centuries of systemic injustices.
Redlining is probably the biggest example. Redlining practices pushed black communities into areas given barely any resources. These places today have rough living conditions and rarely see revitalization efforts that actually uplift the people living there. This continued the years of generational poverty that came after slavery and the repeated destruction of any attempts for black people to get any crumb of prosperity. With little support from the government, combined with poverty, forces some into crime just to put food on the table. Now, with these areas being over-policed, you've got a recipe for high arrest rates.
1: Black men are more often caught in this web. It's not just about being targeted by the police. It's about the dire living conditions, the lack of support, and then the heavy policing. All this means more black men end up behind bars, leaving families without fathers. The kids from these broken homes? They're set up for a hard life from the start and some fall into the same cycle.
2: Pulling your kids from public schools and opting for homeschooling restricts their exposure to diverse viewpoints and backgrounds. This is why many who've spent time in cities or universities tend to have less conservative views. It’s not about them being molded by others; it's genuine exposure to diverse experiences and stories. This broadens understanding and breaks down barriers while leading less people to view different races negatively. I'm sharing this not to change your mind, but hoping you'll see a different perspective, even if you don't fully agree. Just as you believe in spreading your viewpoint, I believe in the value of diverse exposure. It's how we learn and grow.
Highlighting the divisions in our society make you feel uncomfortable, your poor thing. The systemic racist institutions in this nation are actively killing folks of color. And seeing someone profess the statement Black Lives Matter brining it to your attention ruins your wittle day. Poor wittle baby
You were the one who specifically asked to have it spelt out to you, and even asked for something I never offered. Don't act like I'm ranting or crying. There are no systemic racist institutions targeting "people of color (everyone but whites)."
Nonsense.
When will you people realize that the reason people oppose this crap isn't because they support "systemic racism" or something. It's because they roll their eyes at such ridiculous claim. Especially when such claims are used to justify outright racism against other races
It’s not about refusing to adopt a “race ideology” that suggests racism; it’s the refusal to acknowledge statistical evidence, the refusal to investigate the law and history of this country, the refusal to recognize cause and effect, and the refusal to appreciate that some times, empathy simply is not possible. It’s the refusal to recognize that history has an impact on the present, and to make the future better than the present, we must make the present better than the past. What suggests racism is being presented with all of that information, and take a stand against making things better.
There's no doubt in my mind that Chauvin is a grade-A cunt, even as cops go. But Floyd was a thug and he died of a fentanyl overdose.
Making claims to the contrary is a pretty good indicator of ones media diet...
Funny you say that, the "OD killed George Floyd" theory was floated by "No reasonable viewer takes him seriously" Tucker Carlson.
He literally had OD levels of fentanyl and meth in his system, a half chewed speedball pill was found in the cop car he was in, and he had eaten all the drugs he had on his person in prior arrest videos.
He wasn't killed by anyone but himself
Of course your right, two medical examiners are wrong. He was just about to drop dead from the "overdose levels" of drugs in his system before that cop knelt on his neck for 9 1/2 minutes. George Floyd was no saint, but that doesn't make his death any less of a murder.
Question for you. At what point did Floyd start saying he couldn't breathe?
A: while he was still getting into the cop car, before he asked to lie on the ground? B: as he was being detained on the ground?
Hint: the answer is A
OK, so Chauvin knew Floyd was having breathing difficulty and still decided to kneel on his neck well after he became motionless, well after he was handcuffed and prone. What is your argument here?
I believe black people’s lives matter. I hold that view so strongly that I’m willing to shout it in the streets. Does that make part of a political extremist movement?
If by "shout it in the streets" you really mean "shut down the streets" as BLM tends to do, then absolutely yes you're an extremist
It makes you disingenuous. Everybody knows and believes black lives matter. Shouting it in the street amounts to a society-wide false accusation of racism.
If you then go on to set property on fire or use the message to swindle people out of their money, then you are a political extremist and a criminal.