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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What do all these flags represent?

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The left and right are different parts of the historical coat of arms. The black one is a parody of the nazi, eagle and swastika? I'm not sure.

The trident, is the seal-trident of Volodymyr the Great, the first Grand Prince of Kyiv. As time went on, his children had their own signs that grew more complex but eventually became simpler, and altogether forgotten.

Eventually people began to associate themselves with the old rulers sign, including the military and state, as form of national pride.

Another fact: the modern yellow and blue flag is not the sky and a grain field. Infact, for years they flew the yellow above the blue. It's a color pattern coming all the way back from Kievan Rus’.

This was a fun video about some that stuff: https://youtu.be/Gqgh2U0YkTs?si=gUy8zYO-c5Bla0Gm

Edit: it's also worth pointing out: The red and black motif (on the parody flag) isn't asccociated with fascism; it is their representation of fighting facism. The colors were used by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, before being switched back to blue and yellow.

Here's another video: https://youtu.be/zrfmuD5Gahs?si=K5h5ax5PAUiP44SX

I wish I could read the text on the flags. If anyone can provide a translation, I'd give you my left leg.

Edit 2: Upon further study, the UIA did attempt to create a mono-ethnic state. This situation is complex, indeed.

[–] FleetingTit@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

The black and red flag reads "Na Vistri Sqyca" which according to google translates to "The point of a/the spear". In combination with the information provided by the videos you linked I would guess that this is the flag of a nationalist division or battalion of the ukrainian military.

[–] shroobinator@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Were the OUN doing antifacism when they did the pogroms against the Poles and the Jews?

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's a different group. They did commit similar actions. Sadly, small countries that share borders with large contries get swept up into war. Also, I can't think of a single civilization that hasn't committed horrible war crimes (sadly). All we can do, is do our best to hold our borders and keep peace, RIGHT NOW.

[–] shroobinator@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

OUN started the UPA, it's the same group.