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It's also Vegetarian.
Arguably. I think a lot of lab meat currently uses massive amounts of FBS instead of alternatives. Though I guess many vegetarians don't have a problem with renet.
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Fetal bovine serum. It's used as a supplement for for cell cultures.
Some of the cows slaughtered for meat are pregnant. Fetal bovine serum comes from the blood extracted from these cow fetuses.
Since it is used to produce lab grown meat, it is not vegetarian
@agoseris @fred you’d think since it’s meat it’s not vegetarian.
Pretty sure it'd still be vegetarian, just not Vegan then right? At least how I generally have heard it defined, vegetarians are OK with eating food made from animal byproducts (though it's preferable to avoid) and only vegans refuse to consume anything with any animal byproducts
For some vegetarians, it makes a difference wether an animal had to die in the process. It's one thing to continously harvest milk or eggs from an animal which otherwise lives on ~~happily~~. It's another thing to eat something which could only be obtained by slaughtering an animal.
In the same sense, many hard cheeses like Parmesan or Gran Padano aren't vegetarian either, because they use rennet.
Isn’t the vast majority of cheese now made with bacterial rennet instead of calf rennet? I remember reading that something like 95% of cheese now was made with that instead.
Would be nice to know, I'd like to read a source. On wiki, I got the impression the driving incentive is not to kill less calfs, but to produce more rennet, to ultimately produce more cheese. The German wiki quotes "Nur ca. 35 % der weltweiten Käseproduktion können mit Naturlab produziert werden.", roughly "Only about 35% of worldwide cheese production can be produced with rennet from animals". Technically still a vast majority.
It was from Wikipedia, and I was misremembering slightly - not 95% of all cheese, but of cheese made in the US. Which could be saying a lot about cheese in the US.
There isn't really a central authority for deciding if it's vegetarian or not though.
Technically is not an animal product so I guess it is vegetarian but also at the same time it's still meat so it isn't.
I guess it depends on what your objection to meat is. If your objection is based on animal cruelty then I guess it's probably vegetarian but if your objection is based on dietary restrictions (religious or otherwise) then obviously it's not.
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The vegans I know seem to be split on the issue. Most of them agree that it's technically vegan, but about half of them worry that they have been plant based so long that it still might wreck their digestive systems.
I think as long as the meat was slaughtered by a combine vegetarians can eat it
I think vegans are completely against any meat because they think it's unhealthy, and vegetarians think it's immoral.
I just think it's tasty.
Vegans are the ones that think it's immoral. It's like the joke goes, how can you tell if someone is vegan, because they will tell you.
Vegetarian is just a dietary preference.
Vegetarianism can be on an ethical basis too.
Vegans eat no animal products, vegetarians drink milk and eat eggs. The reasoning for their choice doesn't define the terms.
Either can be either.
Vegans have more to do with morals than vegetarians. Vegans may refrain from using animal based products like leather, which can be completely unrelated to health. A vegetarian diet is just that, a diet without meat. Can be for health or moral reasons, unspecified.
Many things are tasty, many of which don't have the detrimental implications of animal products, especially meat.
Ethically it's dubiously vegetarian, culinarily it's meat. Mostly depends on how they harvested the cells tbh.
From what I have read it seems that these cultures are started with a small biopsy. Probably nothing worse than what we do at the doctor or the veterinarian. Lemmy knows I've had to have a ton of lumps on dogs checked out.
Why dubiously? Not all recipes use the calf serum anymore.
Some vegetarians do not like the idea of eating animal AT ALL, even if its ethically sourced and lab grown
I guess that makes sense if you're in it for perceived health benefits. I think most vegetarians are ethically motivated, but I could be wrong.
I would argue given it is still animal tissue - not cellulose etc - it remains not vegetarian because it is not in any way made of plants. It is, however, not made via animals in any way and thus most people who currently consider themselves vegetarians would probably eat it as most vegetarians are so on moral grounds.