Tell me, should we also remove sanctions to Russia for the Ukraine's war? After all they are targeting companies that are not directly related to the war. It's indiscriminate, identity-based hostility.

Or those are ok because they are not israelian?

You are not really working to change my mind about you being an israel troll, you know?

[–] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Sanctions against Russia are a coordinated, state-level pressure tactic aimed at hurting the Russian economy to twist their arm. Everyone acknowledges there’s collateral damage to civilians - the difference is that the economic impact is real, and it has a plausible path to change. If someone were vandalizing the business of a Russian-born German citizen with no involvement in the war, I’d criticize that just the same.

Randomly targeting an Israeli company or civilian abroad that has no connection to the war isn’t the same thing. It’s not part of an organized effort to apply economic pressure, it doesn’t meaningfully weaken the Israeli state, and it has no realistic chance of changing policy. It’s just hostility toward something for being Israeli.

[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Sure but see? That hostility wasn't there before the genocide started and it'so not because they are jews, since there are many other jews who are not from israel that are not suffering hostility. Yet israelians claim antisemitism, when the reason to get the hostility is not their race or religion but the fact that they are committing a genocide. You are trying to point the attention, like the zionist to antisemitism, when the reality is that people don't hate jews, hate genocidal zionists, which is, again, not the same thing.

Hence my comment about calling everything antisemitism when obviously is not.

You are doing exactly what the article describes: weaponizing antisemitism. And you have done it several times here.

[–] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I take your point to be that hostility toward Israelis right now is about opposition to Israeli government actions in Gaza, not about their ethnicity or religion. If that’s what you mean, I get the distinction you’re making.

I’m not saying every action taken against something Israeli is motivated by antisemitism. But it’s also undeniable that some people in the anti-Israel/pro-Palestine crowd are antisemites, and they hide those views behind the broader narrative. Acts of indiscriminate hostility toward anything connected to Israel - even if not motivated by antisemitism - look and function exactly the same as if they were. People should consider the optics, even if their intentions are clear to themselves. That’s the specific distinction I’m talking about, and it’s the one I haven’t seen you address yet.

[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

As I already said, the comment that you went to look for in order to make all this speech, was in a post about how a graffiti was a "barbaric act" or even a "terrorist act" and how ironic it is that they call anything antisemitism when it's very well known that this is not antisemitism but anti-genocide actions.

After that, I said that calling everything antisemitism just makes people start thinking that when everything is antisemitism, nothing is antisemitism.

Last, as I said, people know full well that antisemitism and antizionism are NOT the same thing. What happened here is not antisemitism, it's antizionism. And considering that zionists are just fascist in a different flavour, I consider it morally right to be antizionist.