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submitted 9 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

California Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a new law on Wednesday that aims to stop other states from prosecuting doctors and pharmacists who mail abortion pills to patients in places where the procedure is banned.

California already has a law protecting doctors who provide abortions from out-of-state judgements. But that law was designed to protect doctors who treat patients from other states who travel to California.

The new law goes further by forbidding authorities from cooperating with out-of-state investigations into doctors who mail abortion pills to patients in other states. It also bans bounty hunters or bail agents from apprehending doctors, pharmacists and patients in California and transporting them to another state to stand trial for providing an abortion.

Other states, including New York and Massachusetts, have similar laws. But California’s law also bars state-based social media companies — like Facebook — from complying with out-of-state subpoenas, warrants or other requests for records to discover the identity of patients seeking abortion pills.

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[-] Otkaz@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Could you explain this further? I'm genuinely curious to know more.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -2 points 9 months ago

States aren't allowed to be sanctuary for criminals from other states. I'm not clear on whether active pursuit is required, but if the governor of Texas produces a legal warrant for a person to the governor of California, they are required to act on it. They may not have to perform a manhunt, butbifnthe person is stopped for speeding or something, they would likely be required to arrest them. The only exception is that a state can keep a person for criminal prosecution and imprisonment first, which isn't relevant for an out of state abortion.

The state could argue that a warrant for performing an abortion isn't legal as the requesting state had no jurisdiction where the supposed crime occurred. This isn't required by the law though, so it may be up to the arrested person's counsel to raise that argument, keeping all the risk on the person still.

[-] ShittyRedditWasBetter@lemmy.world -5 points 9 months ago

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artIV-S2-C2-1/ALDE_00013632/#:~:text=A%20Person%20charged%20in%20any,having%20Jurisdiction%20of%20the%20Crime.

It's interstate extradition. Unless California is going to ignore the executive branch, it's entirely unenforceable.

[-] bbsm3678@lemmy.world -5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Sure.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-4/section-2/clause-2/overview-of-the-extradition-interstate-rendition-clause

Article IV, Section 2, Clause 2:

A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.

Now arguably one can say that a California person did not flee but that argument has not been explored from what I can gather. Generally rendition seems to be granted given an indictment in another state.

In 18 U.S.C. § 3182 (which enables interstate extradition): Whenever the executive authority of any State or Territory demands any person as a fugitive from justice, of the executive authority of any State, District, or Territory to which such person has fled, and produces a copy of an indictment found or an affidavit made before a magistrate of any State or Territory, charging the person demanded with having committed treason, felony, or other crime, certified as authentic by the governor or chief magistrate of the State or Territory from whence the person so charged has fled, the executive authority of the State, District, or Territory to which such person has fled shall cause him to be arrested and secured, and notify the executive authority making such demand, or the agent of such authority appointed to receive the fugitive, and shall cause the fugitive to be delivered to such agent when he shall appear. …

Overall it seems to me that a person charged in another state will be extradited as one could interpret residing in California as “fleeing” say Texas’s jurisdiction.

Edit: see my edit on my top level comment. I’ve dug into this issue in a bit more depth and it feels like this is less of a clear cut issue than I initially thought. Thank you everyone for pointing out the flaws in my logic.

[-] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

How exactly do you flee from somewhere you've never been?

[-] bbsm3678@lemmy.world -5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

By not coming to your arraignment. Edit: this is a potential legal argument a state could make if they try to overturn Hyatt v People in a Supreme Court case.

[-] Otkaz@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Thanks for the further explanation. I'm curious how this is handled if products that are banned in California are mailed there from other states. For instance I recently ordered a plexiglass glue and read that if I was a resident of California they would not mail it there due to a chemical in the glue being banned in California. I'm not a lawyer obviously but to me this seems like a very similar legal situation.

[-] bbsm3678@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I have dug into this issue in a bit more depth and I think California has more of a ground to stand on than I originally thought. See the edit to my top level comment.

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