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Ah yes, let's circlejerk around the definition of "civilization".
For the record, I'm not American (thank god!), but this is neither funny nor useful.
It is factual tho.
Then provide the factual basis. What definition of "civilization" excludes societies with loose gun laws?
They did, right here.
Are you trolling, or are you arguing on the level of a three year old?
Words have meanings. They don't necessarily have one single meaning, but generally words only make sense in the context of commonly-understood definitions. If I make up a new definition, it's not useful to use it, as long as other people don't use it.
Now, I can argue that the sky is blurple, and I'm fully correct if I define blurple to be the color of the sky. But you will notice that this sentence doesn't hold any meaning as long as blurple isn't a commonly understood definition.
You're free to show that loose gun laws are commonly understood to be an argument against something being a civilized society. But until you do that, you're doing what I said earlier: just circlejerking with neither funny nor useful descriptions.
Do you understand now?