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There is no "fixing" of training times.
You could however fix the constant propaganda of making "AfRaId GeRmAnS BlOcK SuPpLiEs AgAiN!" out of statements that they will not deliver something before Ukrainians are trained to operate it...
But as everybody seems to love the narratives so much we will always see those rediculous acts of playing Telephone:
German media reports deliveries will happen after training is done
US media picks it up and reports that Germany is not delivering as long as Germans would be need for operation (as bringing in soldiers from a NATO country is an escalation against NATO policy)
Ukrainian media picks up the US report and cries about those stupid Germans not helping because they are always afraid of some imaginary escalation
Every single time, like clockwork.
You are right, that some of the processes can be probably optimized (in fact alot of them are for NATO members... which is one NATO benefits beyond deterrence), but my point here is: All those leaders are democratically elected by voters that are in fact influenced by the media. And the media coverage is at times totally unhinged. And this also causes problems. Especially nowadays when a single report is instantly multiplied because everyone is afraid of missing clicks. While the readers barely check anything but the title, most cerntainly not the source.
I get what you're saying but we I think it's beena decent middle ground of checks and balances. You can't just pour weapons into every conflict that starts up.
There are streamlined processes but Ukraine never made it a goal or priority to join NATO or the EU.
@veroxii @xhci Au contraire, Pres Zelenskyye has made no bones about the fact that he wants in the NATO alliance yesterday. I'm not certain about the EU, but he'd likely not refuse it totally as it would provide markets for Ukrainian wheat and products. Conflicts eat up weapons. Unless, of course, you are proposing that having RU controlling the EU gas and oil supply a good thing?