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Biden worries ‘extreme’ supreme court can’t be relied on to uphold rule of law
(www.theguardian.com)
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The framers counted on congresspersons being good faith actors that loved America, and on a populace that wasn't apathetic or incompetent on important matters of state.
To be fair, the farmers "envisioned" a country where a good proportion of the population was literally enslaved. Let's not get ahead of ourselves
Not wrong to point that out.
I always liked this quote:
Sol Wachtler & David S. Gould, Et Tu Judge Bork?: Will Solipsism Destroy Conservative Ideology?, 15 Touro L. Rev. 1, 15–16 (1998).
This raises an important point, especially as it pertains to the civil war. This country nearly split itself in two because there were two very different ideologies that simply were not compatible.
The US is a fairly large nation geographically with no shared cultural heritage to speak of and greatly differing political beliefs. I don't know the answer, but we really need to at least think about how we can expect all US citizens from liberal Californians to conservative Texans to ever be satisfied with the state of the national government we share.
Full offense but as you mentioned we've already seen what the "southern" ideology does when left to itself and fought a rather bloody war about it. Unfortunately the American military has this historical pattern where they win the initial military campaign and lose the occupation. Imo the south is the ultimate example of this, we simply let the former slavers be and gave them seats in Congress. What we should have done is called a new constitutional convention with representation from freedmen instead of trying to ship them off to Liberia or whatever.
So after the war the social relations in the south changed somewhat in form but not in essence we're still dealing with the fallout today. In short, I think conservative Texans don't really deserve to be satisfied with the state of the national government.
The thing, though, is it isn't so geographically separated. There are more Trump voters in California than in Texas and more Biden voters in Texas than New York. This is simply because there are more people in California than Texas and in Texas than New York, and even the blue states and red states are actually pretty purple.
True, my reason for using those states as examples had more to do with people's expectations than actual numbers.
I've made a very similar point to some of my friends about how the two sides of the political spectrum are no longer geographically separated. A civil war today would be very different from the US Civil War in the 1800s. It won't be a physical war like the Russia/Ukraine war because it geographically and logistically can't be. I think we're likely to see acts of terrorism as the tension continues to grow, but not geographic borders being drawn and guarded.