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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Sorry but no. habits generally take weeks to months to form. that smoking becomes habitual certainly makes quitting harder. there is no doubt there. but, if smoking was far less addictive, it would be far less likely to ever develop as a habit. Remember, that nicotine from smoking (or vaping) starts affecting your brain essentially instantly, creating a dopamine hit, as well as the other affects. it is that which makes nicotine addictive. not some random associated habits that developed over weeks or months.

Also your sources aren't very good. In the first, there's no direct link to the studies in question, but based entirely on what was said int he article... I'm doubting very much they took into consideration the use of alternatives by flight attendants- patches and gums are extremely common among FA's that smoke; specifically to manage the cravings while they're forbidden from smoking. And from what I can tell with a quick search (I'm far from authoritative here,) snuff has been used as an alternative to smoking on shabbat... from pretty much the first time it was brought to Europe, so I would have to assume patches are also a viable method of controlling cravings there as well.

In any case, nobody really says that nicotine causes cancer. At least, no one even remotely honest.

tobacco use causes cancer. As RSPH notes:

Nicotine is harmful in cigarettes largely because it is combined with other damaging chemicals such as tar and arsenic,

however it goes on to be wrong about one thing:

Electronic cigarettes and Nicotine Replacement Therapy (gum, lozenges, and patches) contain nicotine but don’t contain the harmful substances found in cigarettes.

vapes frequently contain toxic chemicals. many are frequently contaminants from extraction; some are added as flavoring or turn into toxic chemicals because of being vaporized, which changes chemical structures. (1, 2, 3, 4, 5)

Nobody really knows for sure what the long term impacts of vaping is- even if the vape juice is just water; we don't really know if it's safe or not. One thing people do know is that Nicotine is addictive, and that you keep saying it's 'not that bad' makes me think maybe you're trying to justify something. I don't care if you smoke or vape. nobody here does. But I do care that you're spreading misinformation about things.

Talk to any one whose tried quitting both caffeine and nicotine. there's really no comparison between the two; and saying there's not is patent bullshit.