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[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 20 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The non-combatants being murdered did not "have it coming", and thinking otherwise is psychotic.

Hamas could have restricted themselves to army bases; they're not hidden. Instead they stormed nearby towns and started gunning down anyone they could find. There is simply no justification for this.

And before anyone asks, every innocent Palestinian murdered by the IDF is just as much of a crime. This isn't how any progress is made. Who knows how many Gazans are going to pay for this, which Hamas is perfectly well aware of because it doesn't actually care about them.

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Youre right, I made my comment at about the start of this. I dont necessarily change my "this was coming" stance but at no point did i think this would change anything and will definitely make things worse for everyone involved.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Netanyahu was elected despite Israel expanding so I guess the majority of citizens were fine with taking palestinian lands. If you're fine with stealing something you're fine with taking the risk that it will be fought for. They thought they could do it without risking their lives and then fucked around and found out.

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

And Hamas was also elected, and if you spend any time on Arabic social media, you'll see this being applauded everywhere.

Is it that hard to think at even a slightly higher level? If you think these attacks were justified because of prior violence, then you also think that Israel is now justified at a brutal response, which will further radicalize all sides and make peace even more impossible than it already is. I mean, do you want Gaza to become a flattened field of rubble? Because that's the road that you're talking about going down.

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee -2 points 11 months ago

I don't know much about this conflict, so all I say is meant as big "maybe"s.

As a settler moving into occupied territory, maybe you shouldn't be counted as 100% civilian. Not a military target either. I think it blurs the line.

Sucks for the next generation.