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[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The larger context is important. One side forced the other one out of their homes at gunpoint. One side put the other one in a cage. One side is the oppressor and the other is the victim. Both sides using violence doesn't change that.

Edit: Also keep in mind that your perception of the atrocities is filtered through Western media, which has a clear stake. Even the smartest leftists are still unlearning propaganda.

[–] H4mi@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes, my surroundings are full of western propaganda. No argument there. So, Hamas did not really kill ~a whole camp of young festival goers, who were dancing on occupied ground? They didn't shoot unprecise rocket explosives on cities? Did I get that wrong?

[–] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You were physically at the festival I assume, to be able to say with such certainty what happened? There are also reports of police firing from the crowd and video of a fully combat ready tank on site before any conflict began. Couple this with the fact that all citizens 18+ in Israel are able to be conscripted and it further muddies waters on who is "just an innocent civilian" at an 18+ festival when combat is planned to occur.

I'm not reveling I'm death, but you're flattening a very deep issue. There's already reporting that the tattoo artist that was supposedly stripped and paraded about after being killed was instead injured and currently in the care of Palestinians' in Gaza where Israel has been indiscriminately bombing, saying they do not care if they kill Israelis.

You're acting as though Palestinians have a choice here. They do not have state of the art weaponry. I'm sure if the US or other "civilized countries" were to offer them more precise weapons to more surgically decapitate the Israeli apartheid state they'd graciously accept them. Are you writing your Congress person to authorize such a transfer?