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A little short for a starship, isn't he?

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[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'd wager that just accounting for emissions in the production of said electric vehicle will make it entirely unable to compete with container ships. Boats are crazy efficient.

[–] Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

What kind of emissions are we producing to build the ships?

[–] DudeDudenson@lemmings.world 1 points 11 months ago

How long are the cargo ships gonna be in service compared to that smartphone of an electric car?

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Most of its steel and other metals, so assuming that theyre using electrically pwered smelters most of the emmissions would be in transport and mining equiptment. So probably somewhat comparable, depends on how much rail was used or if it was transportes exclusively via semi.

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Most steel is (unfortunately) made in Chinese blast furnaces using coal coke and powered with electricity from coal power plants.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

Im aware, I was giving a best possible circumstances type situation. Still the steel for both is probably sourced from the same factory.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And all steel is made using coal regardless of where it's produced, except in experimental processes like HYBRIT.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/aug/19/green-steel-swedish-company-ships-first-batch-made-without-using-coal

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Some producers use electric arc furnaces, a few of which use only scrap metal as input, which means they need far less coal and emit far less CO2 than a conventional BOF/BFF setup.

[–] Wilzax@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Good point, I wasn't considering production.

[–] nicene@lemmy.one 1 points 11 months ago

But don't worry. The cargo ship sprang into being from nothingness and there were utterly no environmental impacts related to drilling, refining, and transportation of the fuel used to power the ship. So clearly EVs are so much worse for the environment /s