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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 23 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Wait... Ebay is merely a marketplace where people or vendors use the platform to sell their goods.

Shouldn't the individuals be sued?

Or maybe it's because they could be in another country, so they go after the platform itself for allowing such devices to be sold?

[–] Vode_An@lemmy.ml 47 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Going after the marketplace is a more efficient strategy than playing whack a mole with individual sellers.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Also being a marketplace they do have a duty to make sure that people are not selling illegal items on their platform.

Because if platforms didn't could you imagine how bad the Internet would be for buying things.

[–] Vode_An@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't disagree. I am generally in favor of keeping markets on a short leash. As you said, it could be a lot worse.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 months ago

Exactly, keeping markets on a shorter leash is also something I'm generally in favor of

[–] Damage@feddit.it 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The correct way would be to go after the buyers

[–] DeepFriedDresden@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The war on drugs would like a word.

[–] 520@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

As would the RIAA's war on piracy. Despite the exhorbitant fines being handed down, I don't believe they've made any profit from them.

[–] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's a political bomb though. This accomplishes the same end goal and is a strong enough warning to prevent similar markets popping up in the future

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Well they are illegal, although enforcement is up to the local jurisdiction. If you try to install these in California for instance, you will have a bad day and they can and will impound your vehicle.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Agreed, but I hope they go after the sellers, too.

[–] You999@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Merketplaces can be held liable for third party sellers merchandise as it's ultimately up to the marketplace to chose what is allowed and prohibited to be sold.

Imagine a marketplace allowed vendors to sell human slaves and the government tells that marketplace that is very much not okay stop it. If that marketplace continues allowing third party vendors to sell human slaves then that marketplace has now also broken the law along with the third party vendor and potentially even the purchaser depending on how the law was written.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago
[–] Auzy@beehaw.org 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why not go after both?

They should then request all purchases of the devices, and go after the buyers too.

As a bonus, a lot of the people buying these are probably wife beaters or toxic f**wits. So, screw protecting them..

[–] emptiestplace@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's confusing because I kinda agree with some of your stereotyping and I'm not confident that is a good thing.

[–] PlasterAnalyst@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

It's anti-social behavior.

[–] fckgwrhqq2yxrkt@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

It's not a good thing, its a way to divide us and make us hate. Don't fall into that.

[–] sik0fewl@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

I dunno, the article is pretty weak on details. Curious what comes of it.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

I agree, hitting a couple of these sellers and manufacturers with multi-million dollar fines would be fucking great. They have to go onto X and complain to their drifting buddies that the only way to support Trump would be to bail them out of jail.