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Israeli President Isaac Herzog said Palestinian civilians in Gaza were "responsible" for the Saturday attack by Hamas.

"It is an entire nation out there that is responsible. It’s not true this rhetoric about civilians [being] not aware, not involved. It’s absolutely not true," Herzog said Friday. "They could have risen up, they could have fought against that evil regime which took over Gaza in a coup d’état."

"I agree there are many innocent Palestinians who don't agree with this, but if you have a missile in your goddamn kitchen and you want to shoot it at me, am I allowed to defend myself? We have to defend ourselves, we have the full right to do so," he added.

The Israeli president made the comments while calling for over 1 million people in northern Gaza to evacuate in 24 hours. The evacuation was first announced to Gaza residents via leaflets from the Israel Defense Forces.

"Civilians of Gaza City, evacuate south for your own safety and the safety of your families and distance yourself from Hamas terrorists who are using you as human shields," the leaflets read. "This evacuation is for your own safety. You will be able to return to Gaza City only when another announcement permitting it is made."

Hamas has told people in Gaza to ignore the evacuation order.

“Israel is removing Palestinians from their homes and lands for a second time, and we have responded to the Zionist crimes by targeting them and Ben Gurion,” Abu Obaida, spokesperson of Hamas' Al-Qassam Brigades, said. "Displacement and exile are not for us, Israel is carrying out psychological warfare through the threats and their dark history, which shows they carry out crimes and killings as a form of collective punishment."

The United Nations has called the evacuation "impossible," due to the large number of people asked to leave the area, according to CNN. John Kirby, the National Security Council coordinator for strategic communications, called the evacuation a "tall order."

“We understand what they're trying to do: They're trying to move civilians out of harm's way and giving them fair warning. Now it's a tall order. It's a million people and very urban, dense environment. It's already a combat zone. So I don't think anybody's underestimating the challenge here of effecting that evacuation,” Kirby told CNN.

The war between Hamas and Israel started on Saturday when Hamas soldiers attacked Israel from Gaza. Hamas killed over 1,000 people and took over 100 hostages in that attack, according to NPR. Hamas has been designated a terrorist organization by many countries including the U.S., Israel and those in the European Union. Since the beginning of the war, Israel says Hamas killed 1,300 people. The Palestinian health ministry reports 1,800 killed in Gaza.

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[–] Lemmylaugh@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Unpopular opinion. Wouldn’t a one state be a better solution. Like most of other developed nations that are multi cultural? After 5 or 6 generations they would all identify as one nation with different backgrounds. It definitely works in modern nations now.

[–] SpasmodicColon@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

Sure. Put the Palestinians back in charge of their land and state, and the isntrealis can just be there. Let's see how they like that.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

let me put it this way: I'm forced to live in a 'one-state solution' with the descendants of my lineage's oppressors, and I fuckin hate it. I wouldn't condemn the Palestinians like that. Especially because if we assume Israel would follow the lead of its big brother in this hypothetical "One State" scenario, then the tensions between Israeli and Palestinian would never end up solved, constantly used as a political football for misleader Palestinians to eventually work their way into the government, and utterly shut down the revolutionary potential of the oppressed while lending legitimacy to the settler project.

That's a condemnation of the Palestinian people just as surely as the all-out genocide Israel currently wages. The only difference is the scale of time.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would you like to live in a state where you are a second class citizen?

[–] atetulo@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think part of that solution would be laws and regulations to prevent discrimination.

It's not impossible.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Those laws never work as they're expected to. When's the last time you heard about a settler actually following anti-discrimination laws or regs, or the last time you heard a settler actually punished for breaking those laws and regs? You sound naive.

[–] atetulo@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're right. There's a law of the universe that says it's physically impossible for a nation to follow it's own anti-discrimination laws.

There's nothing that can be done to change it. No matter how much time passes or how much we may learn, it will remain an absolute fact.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

confirmed.

If you're gonna really sit there and tell me you think that ethnic cleansers, settlers, and colonizers will follow the spirit of anti-discrimination laws, as opposed to continuing to marginalize, oppress, and brutalize the people they've made second-class or worse, you're showing just how crackerish you really are. If you had any kind of true sight of this world, you'd see how hopelessly, pitifully naive such an ideal is-- and I have a lake to sell you in the center of fuckin Nevada.

[–] atetulo@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] atetulo@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

Damn, you're really angry about this.

Calm down.

[–] Risk@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago

It probably would have led to the best outcome if it had been one state from the start, when Israel was established. God knows if it'd work now.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Wouldn’t a one state be a better solution.

Pretty much, yes. It's only an unpopular opinion amongst white supremacists and pro-colonialists.