NCAA investigating Wolverines for sign stealing (www.espn.com)

submitted 8 months ago by ryathal@sh.itjust.works to c/cfb@fanaticus.social

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[-] g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

So THAT'S the secret to a dominant d...

Also for what it's worth sign stealing has always been an interesting topic for me. Let's say you as a player notice that every time the rb lines up somewhere the ball goes to him, so you start to play based on that. That seems fine to me. And let's say as a coach you notice a certain percent of their plays in previous games are in a certain package, so you gameplan for that. Again seems fine. But sign stealing is just a logical extension of those two things. I don't think I actually support sign stealing, but it's just curious that I can't actually criticize it.

[-] EmiliaTheHero@possumpat.io 5 points 8 months ago

Your first two examples open up more opportunities for outplays. The opposing team can recognize that you have picked up on their patterns and then run fake-out plays to catch you off guard. Sign stealing just allows you to know exactly what the other team is about to do and there is no opportunity for them to fake you out. (Other than switching to a new set of signs, but learning signs is boring for the players and not entertaining for the audience).

To equate it to poker: Your first two examples are similar to learning one of your opponents tells. If you start to exploit their tell, they can start faking it to force you to fold or place a bad bet. Sign stealing is like taking a peak at their cards

[-] QHC@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

I don't see any material difference, signs can be changed easier than formations.

[-] g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Actually a fantastic analogy. And like I said, I don't much care for sign stealing, I think there are better ways to more reliably put yourself in a position to win. I just think it's funny that we expect and even encourage the runner on second to watch the signs but as soon as it's somebody with a camera it's against the rules.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

Stealing signs themselves isn't against rules, and is overblown. There was a pre-covid pro game where Tony Romo called basically every play as an announcer.