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[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's funny that Isreal doesn't see any irony in what they're doing right now.

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It makes me lose all hope for any future for our species that the Holocaust is just passing out of living memory, and the Far Right is on the Rise in Germany, and the Jewish State founded by the Holocaust's survivors is doing a genocide.

Humans as a species can't retain the importance of the lessons of history, even in the age of digital records. We just refuse. World War II ended 78 years ago, a single average human lifespan almost exactly, and here we are after most of the world and especially the parties most directly involved resolutely declared "never again."

TIL "never" ≈ 80 Earth years

[–] conquer4@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes, history teaches us things always go in cycles, the type and length varies, but cycles. Those people who said never are dead, their children never had to live through it, so why would they say never?

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Hey! I'm still alive and probably still have some decades to go. You can (and should) oppose fascism without being a direct survivor.

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Why limit our retention of knowledge to the quantitative?

We shouldn't have to kill an entire people every generation to be too horrified to do it again, just as we don't have to relearn how to make transistors for processing units every generation.

[–] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, but look at that streak! The "never again" following the Great War was only ~15 years.

I continue to believe we're making measurable gains

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Keep the faith Ted Lasso.

[–] teegus@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago

Yeah it's just like that. Remember how Poland was shooting rockets into Germany and slaughtering the civilians there regularly? Oh wait, none of that happened.

Self-defense did not characterize Germany's behavior during world war II, it absolutely does characterize Israel's behavior regarding Palestine.

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 year ago

They absolutely do that's why they keep pumping out propaganda like the Taylor Swift bodyguard bs