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[–] rdri@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Look at the pictures in the link. If that was an Israeli city hit by Iran, who would be at fault? Now they are actually of Gaza. Whose fault is it in reality? If you didn't answer Israel to one of those two questions, then you hold that Israel can do no wrong.

[–] rdri@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If no one would've done terrorism on October 7th, no one would do anything like you see on a photo today. And, oh, how much more would you be upset if Israel would do attacks without a warning, just like hamas does, I can't imagine.

If you have balls to blame Israel for the existence of "kill all Jews" in Palestinians' doctrine, you are out of your mind.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Group A is angry. It shoots missles and kills innocent civilians. Group B states "This will not stand! We must defeat group A and put an end to their killing of innocent civilians!" Group B then shoots missles, but instead of just killing group A, they kill a bunch more innocent civilians. On that last group of civilians, who is to blame for their death? In abstract it should be the ones shooting the missles.

You might be tempted to say it was group A's fault for shooting the first batch of missles, thinking I am referring to Hamas. That is why I made up the (hopefully) hypothetical scenario that group A is Israel and group B is Iran. All I want to get across is those that shoot missles and kill innocents REGARDLESS OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES are to blame for the death they cause.

[–] rdri@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Group B is unrelated so the whole thing is unrelated.

I'm not proposing to remove all blame from Israel. But its actions are within adequate frame, and it can be investigated and held accountable. This never applies to Palestinians, they won't be prosecuted and will proceed with terrorism if not stopped.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Group B fired missles that killed innocent civilians in both scenarios. Proposing they are unrelated removed all blame from them.

Also, when was the last time any resolution at the UN security council has passed and held Israel accountable? Seems like the whole region has avoided any formal accountability, both Hamas and Israel.

[–] rdri@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whatever the UN did wrong, it doesn't mean Israel can be treated like terrorists.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whatever Hamas did wrong, doesn't mean that the Palestinians can be treated like terrorists.

[–] rdri@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is not what's happening.

All the suffering of Palestinians are the result of electing hamas and its actions.

Hamas can stop the suffering immediately by surrendering and releasing hostages.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is not what's happening.

All the suffering of the Israelis are the result of electing Likud and its actions.

Likud can stop the suffering immediately by surrendering and returning the stolen land.

In what world would either of those things happen?

[–] rdri@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

In a world where a person stabbing themselves with a knife can realize they are only hurting themselves by proceeding, and stop until it's too late. A knife will not stop until the person stabbing themselves with it stops.

As for your take on my words, it's laughable. Describe me a world where a group of people do nothing but build swords, them use them to defeat another group who has guns, then "unsteal" the land they refuse to live without, successfully.