this post was submitted on 14 Jun 2022
1 points (100.0% liked)

Communism

9342 readers
45 users here now

Discussion Community for fellow Marxist-Leninists and other Marxists.

Rules for /c/communism

Rules that visitors must follow to participate. May be used as reasons to report or ban.

  1. No non-marxists

This subreddit is here to facilitate discussion between marxists.

There are other communities aimed at helping along new communists. This community isn't here to convert naysayers to marxism.

If you are a member of the police, armed forces, or any other part of the repressive state apparatus of capitalist nations, you will be banned.

  1. No oppressive language

Do not attempt to justify your use of oppressive language.

Doing this will almost assuredly result in a ban. Accept the criticism in a principled manner, edit your post or comment accordingly, and move on, learning from your mistake.

We believe that speech, like everything else, has a class character, and that some speech can be oppressive. This is why speech that is patriarchal, white supremacist, cissupremacist, homophobic, ableist, or otherwise oppressive is banned.

TERF is not a slur.

  1. No low quality or off-topic posts

Posts that are low-effort or otherwise irrelevant will be removed.

This is not a place to engage in meta-drama or discuss random reactionaries on lemmy or anywhere else.

This includes memes and circlejerking.

This includes most images, such as random books or memorabilia you found.

We ask that amerikan posters refrain from posting about US bourgeois politics. The rest of the world really doesn’t care that much.

  1. No basic questions about marxism

Posts asking entry-level questions will be removed.

Questions like “What is Maoism?” or “Why do Stalinists believe what they do?” will be removed, as they are not the focus on this forum.

  1. No sectarianism

Marxists of all tendencies are welcome here.

Refrain from sectarianism, defined here as unprincipled criticism. Posts trash-talking a certain tendency or marxist figure will be removed. Circlejerking, throwing insults around, and other pettiness is unacceptable.

If criticisms must be made, make them in a principled manner, applying Marxist analysis.

The goal of this subreddit is the accretion of theory and knowledge and the promotion of quality discussion and criticism.

Check out ProleWiki for a communist wikipedia.

Communism study guide

bottombanner

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is a dumb talking point.

United States is an oppressor nation, not an oppressed state in need of national liberation.

@muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml Looks like we got another person repeating PatSoc talking points.

[–] SaddamHussein24@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Noone talking about national liberation here, we are talking about patriotism. I guess the Communist Party of Greece are reactionary patsocs then lol ¯_(ツ)_/¯

https://www.rizospastis.gr/story.do?id=209459

https://www.rizospastis.gr/story.do?id=329397

Its in greek but just use google translate.

But sure, you can just accuse me of "being an american chauvinist" i guess, even tho im a spaniard with no relation to the anglosphere whatsoever, english isnt even my native language. The truth is, as that Mao quote clearly states, that all communists must be patriots. And that doesnt mean "praising your government" or "praising your flag" or anything like that. It just means you love your country and its people. There is nothing more patriotic than being a communist, communist parties all over the world acknowledge this, in Latin America, Europe, Africa, Asia and Oceania. Its only in the USA that you deny this. My guess is because you have been brainwashed by your media and education system that patriotism is bootlicking the flag, the police, the military and the Founding Fathers. Patriotism is noone of that. Noone who advocates for capitalism is a patriot, since they are more than happy to let their people suffer in misery. This is the truth, the whole world except you recognizes it.

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The KKE is pretty sectarian and cringe and homophobic/transphobic, yes.

[–] SaddamHussein24@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Ohhh, there we go, if you are homophobic then you are not a communist. So the strongest nonrevisionist/reformist communist party in the EU, the only strong EU communist party that has not joined NATO in its antiRussia crusade, the only EU communist party that consistently fights labor struggles for workers rights, that advocates revolution, that praises Stalin and denounces Khrushchev, is a reactionary party. Got it. I bet you love trotskyite parties that get 300 votes while spreading antiChina rhethoric.

Then i guess the USSR and the CPSU were evil reactionary patsocs. Same with Cold War era Cuba and its Communist Party. Also the modern day Russian, Belarusian, Moldovan, Lithuanian, Latvian, Estonian, and many more Communist Parties. Also the DPRK and its Workers Party. Also the Communist Party of China. Yep, they are all evil, they are homophobic, and thats the most important contradiction, forget imperialism!

Wow, and you call yourself a communist? Rejecting an entire mass movement, one of the few strong principled Communist parties that still remain today, just because of social conservatism? You are not a communist, you are a proimperialist moron, thats what you are.

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They supported neo-Nazis only a few years ago over some liberal candidate. And they're incredibly homophobic/transphobic in 2022.

Go away.

[–] SaddamHussein24@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What neonazis did they support? And yes, the Communist Party of China, Workers Party of Korea, Lao Peoples Revolutionary Party and even the Communist Party of Vietnam are homophobic nowadays, in 2022. Do you condemn those too as reactionary?

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They are absolutely not homophobic; they are all that stand in the way of homophobia lmao

[–] SaddamHussein24@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Ah yes, the CPC is not homophobic when they ban "sissy men". The WPK also isnt homophobic when they say "there are no transgenders/homosexuals in DPRK, thats a western thing". Same goes for Laos and Vietnam, although Vietnam to a lesser degree but still.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There was funny thread few months ago at GenZedong, where you got your usual interview with DPRK man, then he started to say against LGBT, and the usual GenZedong uncritical support for DPRK fizzled for this one thread only, and they were like "Based... wait what? That's surely a coincidence, how can a a man in country i uncritically support have opinion i do not uncritically support". What was characteristic is that no discussion happened and the thread was largely ignored.

Western left moment.

[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

China never banned "sissy men" that was a mistranslation.

[–] SaddamHussein24@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It was not a mistranslation. Read this CGTN article about this same topic in 2021:

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-03-04/China-debates-masculinity-education-for-boys-YmjSM7bjVe/index.html

"In December, the country's education authorities responded for the first time to a controversial proposal raising alarm about a perceived deterioration of masculinity in Chinese boys.

In the "Proposal to Prevent the Feminization of Male Adolescents," Si Zefu, a delegate to China's top political advisory body, said that Chinese boys are becoming "weak, timid and low self-esteemed," traits which he summed up in one word: feminization."

Literally rambling about "chinese boys losing their masculinity due to "sissy pants artists"". Very LGBT friendly LMFAO

[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm sure that the word of the law explaining the restriction and crackdown on wealthy, bourgeois lifestyles and social media presence is the exact same as a single person saying "effiminate men are icky" -/s

[–] SaddamHussein24@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Noone said its the same thing. But if CGTN, an official organ of the chinese state, can write an article with such blatant disgusting homophobic drivel, then its clear that homophobia is a big problem in China.

[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Of course homophobia is a problem in China, I take issue with people claiming that the law is specifically targeting effeminate and lgbt men. I've read stories and posts from actual LGBT comrades in China that have said that the law doesn't mention effiminate men or that the media circus surrounding it exagerates things.

Then i guess the USSR and the CPSU were evil reactionary patsocs. Same with Cold War era Cuba and its Communist Party.

We should also rename the Great Patriotic War apparently :/