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[–] BottleOfAlkahest@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While I agree that most of the talk about helping those struggling is empty I think it's a bit disingenuous to imply suicide by airplane was the only option available to him. This happened in America were there are almost as many guns as people. Hurting others during a suicide attempt by trying to crash a plane is a choice.

We definitely need better mental health resources but killing 83 other people wasn't his only option.

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

As stated, when you're suicidal, you aren't really looking beyond your own pain and opportunities to end it. It's easy for someone who is doing all right to tell someone in white hot anguish what they should have done.

Your response is indemic of the crisis of empathy in this country. It's easy for a rich person to tell a poor person what they should have done instead of stealing. Our people much prefer the easy way of casting judgment and advocating maximum punitive vengeance so that they can play pretend we live in a black and white, just nation and world, where everyone earned what they have and the suffering did something to deserve it.

The hard thing would trying to understand for what drove one of our people to this madness to begin with, and maybe even help. But that would be extremely un-American. Hoo boy, lets deep fry his ass boy howdy! Gonna get assed raped in prison itellyouwhat that'll teach him to... value the sanctity of the lives of himself and others?

[–] GiantRobotTRex@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If he's not thinking clearly, why he would he choose your proposed suicide method? It's a more rational choice but like you've said this isn't a decision being made rationally.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Well fortunately we're going to have the opportunity to find out what he really was thinking, this time. Until that's released to the public, you don't know any more about it than the people you're shouting down. Since he chose such a specific method, and not on his own plane which would have been easier, there's reason to suspect it was a targeted attack on others. Being willing to die in the attempt is a step away from being suicidal. Would that all attempts at mass carnage were resolved with all lives saved, like this one.

[–] ricdeh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe you are the one lacking empathy here if you think that it is right and defendable for someone to eradicate 83 lives because they are depressed.

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Is it "right and defendable" that a drowning person will quite literally climb on top of you and push you under if you get too close? No, but it won't stop them from doing it.

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one -4 points 1 year ago

Please learn to read

[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] BottleOfAlkahest@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

That's a bold assumption since you know nothing about me. It's also incorrect, I've just never tried to murder a bunch of other people too. Most people who commit suicide don't try to pair it with mass murder.