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All the news headlines and verdict said sexual abuse, which was kind of vague, but I just found out today that the judge clarified that this was a matter of legal definition and by the verdict of the trial and the case, trump has been found guilty of penetrative rape.

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[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Didn't she say that she wasn't sure if it was his penis or his fingers and that's why in NY they couldn't call it rape.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Few more explanatory quotes - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/07/donald-trump-rape-language-e-jean-carroll

Article says the jury found trump liable for digital(fingers) penetration, but not for irrefutable non-consensual penetration using his penis, which is the only way to legally be found liable for "rape" in NY.

I have not watched or read a transcript of the trial yet, this is a true TIL.

[–] Norgur@kbin.social 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I cannot imagine the ordeal for the victim when a bunch of folks in suits discusses if someone forced his dick inside of you or "just" his fingers...

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Pretty horrifying.

At least trump was found liable, though. I was thinking of a victim exposing themselves in the courtroom and the countless times a jury finds for the rich douchebag with more lawyers.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

By any other name, would he still be a creep.

Yes, the answer is yes.

[–] nitefox@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 1 points 1 year ago

That's what happens when men write laws that are used to try other men for crimes against women

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Exactly, I totally agree

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

Which is ridiculous because it's rape whichever he used.

[–] medicsofanarchy@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

She didn't have her contacts in; it could have been his penis or his pinky finger based on size.