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That's a hell of a what about ism.
Putting pressure on the population like this, is putting pressure on the government to spend critical resources, to make them less capable of fighting a war. It is a valid, and historically often used, siege strategy.
The main point, is the civilians in Gaza are trapped, they're not allowed to leave, they don't have water, they don't have power to make water, they are suffering. That's the takeaway, ending the suffering should be the goal.
Even if Hamas gave up all of their fuel reserves, which the reserving for the ground assault they've been told is coming, even if they gave up all of their fuel, the siege would not be ended, and the civilians would still not have water. It might be delayed by a day. But it doesn't change the situation that exists right now
Steal the fuel from the terrorists, problem solved
ok, but the terrorists are not importing any new fuel, what do the hospitals do tomorrow when the terrorist fuel is gone?
Hope that the terrorist realize the urgency and capitulate so blockades can be lifted. Hope that Israel is more benevolent than their current government. What more can they do?
I'm sympathetic, and I would like the terrorists to stop terrorizing, but if every member of Hamas lined up and surrendered to the Israeli military peacefully today, they'd just be executed tomorrow. So from their perspective it's better to go out in blaze of Glory, so I don't see them surrendering.
the terrorists are symptoms of apartheid. Until apartheid goes away, there will be a new fresh crop every so often.
The political climate does not exist, for the foreseeable future, to remove any blockades. Those are not going away
All I see is continued human suffering.
If Hamas cared about the civilians of Gaza even slightly, they would give up their fuel to allow the hospitals to provide services. They would give up their fuel to allow the people to drink clean water.
They would surrender and face execution so that millions would not suffer. That is the honourable thing to do, and many times in wars and conflicts of the past this is what leaders have done when they know they are beaten. They don't stand a chance in open combat and they know it, they are only prolonging the suffering of the people around them. If they want to go out in a blaze of glory they should do so as martyrs that surrendered so that others may live.
Instead they are hoarding fuel in expectation of an invasion that they invited by attacking their neighbour.
Starving the people of Gaza is unacceptable and classified as a war crime. But personally I see no reason why any fuel should be supplied when Hamas has a sufficient stockpile to meet their needs. 500,000L is not a day's worth of fuel, it's a large volume that could make for weeks of power for essential services. Yes, Israel is committing atrocities, but Hamas are the ones who are unwilling to do what it takes to end it.
As long as war crimes are okay, if the other side does the war crimes too. Then I guess there's no problems
The fuel will buy the hospitals and actual civilians more time to use vital facilities, while disrupting the HAMAS scum. Without fuel hamas will be very soft targets.
Do you see the energy embargo ending just because hamas has no more fuel?
I don't, the cruelty is the point here, its not accidental. its designed to put pressure on the Gaza government through humanitarian disaster, and thats terrible.