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Hamas’ brutal attacks in Israel on October 7 killed at least 1,400 people and the group took more than 200 hostages, according to Israeli authorities. In the wake of the assault, Israel launched an aerial bombardment of Gaza that Palestinian health officials say has killed more than 5,000 people. Israel also announced a “complete siege” on the enclave, withholding vital supplies of water, food and fuel.

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[–] snek@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So why doesn't Israel distribute fuel to civilian Palestinians in Gaza?

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Because their government, Hamas, is in charge of that. The logistics to distribute fuel would require reoccupation of the Gaza Strip.

[–] snek@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

Ah yes for Israel to give humanitarian aid it has to commit 2-3 more war crimes.

[–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I feel like we're missing the part where Israel could just turn the power back on... if Hamas has fuel to run their weapons what is even the point of cutting electricity?

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Generally, as a competent government, you don't attack and call for the genocide of your neighbors; starting a war. And then expect that neighbor to fund your war effort.

[–] snek@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Here we have someone trying to say that withholding food and medicine and fuel for 2.2m people, half of which are children, is the same as not funding your enemy's war efforts.

Fuck me sideways.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago

Turns out food, fuel and medicine are considered dual purpose goods. They have civilian purposes and they have military applications. When you declare a war against your neighbor; you shouldn't expect that neighbor to fund, at it's own expense, your economy.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hamas steals fuel supplies from the UN in Gaza. So supplying the UNWRA fuel is going to give Hamas more fuel.

If the UN want a humanitarian aid they need to send blue hats entitled to protect the aid like they do in Africa.

[–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think you're missing my point.

Do you think the entire power grid of Gaza is run off fossil fuel generators inside of Gaza?

I'll just cut to the chase. Here, have an infographic from the UN that might be slightly out of date but will still give you a much better understanding of the situation

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm aware that Israel provides massive amounts of monetary and in kind aid to Palestinians both in the West Bank and the Gaza strip.

I'm questioning why Hamas, as the defacto government of the Gaza Strip, expects that aid to continue to flow after declaring war? That's stupid. The phrase is, "Don't bite the hand that feeds you."

[–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not a war crime to decline to arm your enemy.

[–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes collective punishment is a war crime

Now please stop bothering me with these low effort comments

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago

Did you read that document? It's banning things like reprisals (the act of killing random civilians as a response for military members being killed). Nowhere in there does it demand you supply the civilians of the government your at war with in the territory that government controls.

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[–] probablyaCat@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because they'd be attacked, kidnapped, and/or killed. Seriously what kind of question is this? How do you propose they go into Gaza, distribute the aid, and not get attacked. Hamas is rolling right up to the aid and stealing it. Are you suggesting Israel completely occupy the region and maintain security in order to distribute aid?