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Capitalism is obviously destroyed but I read very little on "money".

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[–] jeffhykin@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

(maybe I'll make a separate comment about currency, but I feel I need to get on the soap box for a moment here)

This might be controversial so hear me out. I don't we should assume capitalism is destroyed. But more importantly I think the reason is absolutely critical to the success of solarpunk.

We like to pretend "direct democracy good, other systems bad", but almost all forms of governance; dictatorships, oligarchies, capitalism, republic democracies, communism, direct democracies, and socialism have their own applications. We use them all over the place; militaries almost always function as a mostly-dictatorship with some distributed autonomy. Courtrooms function as an ad-hoc oligarchy. Companies, Unions, Churches, and Cities have thousands of different governance models, from Gabe Newell leading Valve with one of the most flat companies ever, to Steve Jobs being effectively a dictator.

Yes, Solarpunk is a rejection. But it's a rejection of the dystopian outcome.

We give the middle finger equally to Xi Jinping, Ben Shapiro, and Joseph Stalin and any other spokesperson who prescribes one medication for all problems while ignoring the dystopia flourishing around them! All of them were/are so infatuated by style of governance that they forgot the original mission.

That's where we can be different. Solarpunk doesn't have "a prescription". All of us have extremely different views, backgrounds, ideas, and values. The only commonality is "we want a society worth living in".

I strongly feel the Solarpunk ideology is:

  1. "prescribe" systems of governance for specific things
  2. See if symptoms improve
  3. and $&!#-ing change the prescription when it doesn't work

We should angrily reject the current prescription (and in the US that means rejecting our pay-politicans-to-win, fake-freedom, megacorp dominated capitalism)

But.

We should not get so angry as to forget; the difference between medicine and poison is the dosage & situation.

Okay, I'll get off my soap box now.

[–] tgirod@slrpnk.net 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

We shouldn’t be so angry that we think something as broad/simple as a marketplace has no use, and should not even be attempted, in creating a sustainable society worth living in.

It looks like you are conflating market economy and capitalism. These are two different concepts, and the first one predates the second by a few millenia.

So in the end the question was about capitalism but you argued in favor of market economy.

[–] jeffhykin@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

After reading my whole comment again and checking some more definitions I kinda see your point, so I tried to edit it a bit to be more inline with actual capitalism.

And to your credit, there actually aren't nearly as many vibrant game worlds that actually include private ownership of the means of production, so I completely removed that section.

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