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Gaza health ministry issues list of names of thousands killed in Israeli bombing
(english.alarabiya.net)
this post was submitted on 27 Oct 2023
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Let's take one example where Israel told Gazans to move south then bombed several areas in the south of Gaza. That's one of thousands of examples of Israel using proximity shielding or some other pathetic excuse to butcher civilians.
Civilians and journalists and medical staff are over represented. Especially the ones Israel shot point blank in the head.
Thanks for the details but they are diverging from the core issue. Maybe someone with more time could tackle them but I won't. I think your math isn't based on much, just numbers slammed together. Let's focus instead on every single time Israel lied to civilians and then neutralized them.
It sounds like you won't be convinced by anything I write, so do it yourself. Pull the numbers yourself. Do the math yourself.
A good place to start would be comparing the number of bombs dropped on northern Gaza vs. the south.
Yeah, I guess I find it hard to use math to justify murder. The number of expected dead civilians should be very close to zero if Israel wasn't committing war crimes like having military operations that directly harm civilians.
So is asking people to go south then bombing the south, is that Israel trying to avoid human casualties? Yes/no would be good.
I understand the hesitation. It's treating humans as numbers. But civilian casualties will always be nonzero in war. Especially when one side is using human shields.
Asking people to move south is actually proof they want to avoid human casualties. There never was a chance 100% will leave, and sure as shit not in 24 hours. But if 50% leave after 3 days and 80% after a week, then when the eventual ground invasion comes there will be far fewer civilians left who can be killed in the crossfire.
But Israel deliberately bombed the South of Gaza knowing too well how many people are there. I find it hard to justify this or wiggle out of it to be honest.
What about withholding water? Humans could die of dehydration. How were they avoiding human casualties then??
If you want to take an absolutist position like declaring the south of Gaza a completely safe zone, then you're going to be disappointed by reality. Military campaigns never say "this is an absolute safe zone". It's always shades of gray.
Withholding water is absolutely contemptible, which is probably why they walked that back after a day. The bigger issue is the existing infrastructure wasn't designed for the current population, much less the population doubling overnight, which is why the water distribution is failing. That is 100% on Hamas as they have had full control of the Gaza Strip since 2007. Perhaps if they used pipes to build water and sewage infrastructure instead of building rockets but the past can't be changed.
It's a dangerous situation, and more aid needs to go in than has until now. Thankfully, it seems that will happen soon.
You can make up all sorts of excuses but at the end of the day it's Israeli missiles that directly killed civilians. Excuses made to excuse war crimes.
I try to take people at what they say. Israel says they are shooting at Hamas members. Hamas are pretty up front that they target Israeli civilians. Always have been.
For what it's worth, I hope you're wrong about Israel. The alternative would mean there is no hope for any mutual lasting peace. Certainly not so long as you believe it.
Israel is upfront about targeting Palestinian civilians. 8k dead so far.
Try to take them by their actions not their words. Don't be naive.