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Look at any colonized people who have made peace on their colonizer's terms for why they might not want to do that.
Let's see here, just off the top of my head:
Native Americans, Native Australians, Native South Africans.
To be fair, Palestine already resembles the reservations and slums the native people I mentioned have been forced into by their colonizers.
I feel like you are missing the line between fighting for their freedom, and publicly raping innocent concert goers to death a bit, though. I completely understand them lashing out. I will never understand the targets that they chose to lash out at. It's not smart from a strategic standpoint, even.
I'm not missing any line.
That's just the realities of war.
Native Australians are called Aboriginals
How about new zealand tho?
It sure seems like it worked for the Irish.
We were the stereotype terrorist until 9/11
Now people unironically ask Irish bartenders for car bombs and don't see the issue.
It's never bothered me tbh, that's an American thing. Never heard of it until I visited
Yeah, I worked at an Irish bar for a while and we had a couple guys from Donegal that would go in on drunk college kids about it. Really the only anecdotes I have on the situation, though.
Donegal is a border county, likely to be closer to home. Personally it took me being in Chicago and someone talking about it for it to click with me, I just thought you guys had weird names for things
Well if you stick to that braindead logic to justify terrorism you’re just going to get bombed with no support from modern nations.
When you declare a genocide on a group of people don’t be surprised when they fight back.
So, to be clear here, you are condemning Israel here, correct? The ones who are actually perpetuating a genocide?
Sure if you count defending yourself from genocide as genocide also.
Israel started the genocide. For that matter, they have a long history of starting fights with their neighbors. Sometimes it works out for them, and sometimes it doesn't, but the common theme is they always blame it on people wanting to genocide the Jews. Only idiots still fall for that shit.
Lucky for them, they have powerful allies that cover for them and drag their asses out of the fire each time. But public opinion is slowly changing, and at some point it's going to tip and Israel is going to pick a fight where nobody comes to their rescue. When that happens, I hope I'm around to appreciate them receiving their just rewards for being truly inhuman monsters.
This is how the Jews were treated when the shoe was on the other foot, when Jerusalem and the West Bank were annexed by Jordan, (A belligerent fighting for the Palestinians against Israel in 1948,) it was immediately ethnically cleansed:
Today there are no Jewish citizens of Jordan.
Uh oh. Not this argument. I hate this argument because it never ends. Israel started it. Actually Palestine started it. Actually Israel started it. Actually the Arab League started it. Actually Israel started it. Actually the Ottomans started it. Actually British started it. Actually France started it. Actually Russia started it. So on and so forth--this land is mine, blah blah blah.
It started when all of the muslim nations surrounding Israel declared war on them multiple times over 60 years, and Jewish ethnic cleansing of the holy land was always the main justification. Denying such basic history just makes you look obtuse and/or uneducated.
If you think the west is going to turn its back on Isreal fighting a literal terrorist organization you’re delusional. The only way any of this ends is if Muslims just accept that Isreal is not going anywhere and proper permanent land borders are made. Continuing to fight that just causes endless suffering for everyone involved.
That's funny, because Israel has also invaded Muslim countries on multiple occasions, and even conspired with Western powers to invade their neighbors. Wars which caused controversy in those Western nations, but not towards Israel, because if you criticize Israel you're suddenly a nazi. Despite the fact that Israeli government officials have clearly spoken out on social media many times saying that their goal is the elimination of Arabs and Muslims in Palestine.
I have no sympathy for Israel. Every one of those 1400 dead of theirs took part in a system built to destroy Arabs and take their lands, and every one of them that died is one less oppressor of the Palestinian people. The latest polls show public support in the US for Israel is dropping. One day, the scales will tip, and the cash and weapon flow to those murderers will stop. And then all the sins of Israel will come back to haunt them.
It's pretty fucking wild that your brain can hold that thought...that 1400 Israelis were somehow complicit in their own murder...and also the thought that the Gazans are nothing but sweet, innocent victims without any agency.
I think they were referring to the compulsory military service. So yes, they're all, at one point or another, part of the Israeli genocide machine
Are the Gazans sweet and innocent? I couldn't care less if they are. They're the oppressed, and liberation always takes drenching the enemy of the people with so much of their own blood they cannot continue to oppress you.
Just because they're at the losing end of asymmetrical warfare doesn't make them the good guys. They started wars against Israel twice and lost. They have been indiscriminately attacking civilians for the last century and refusing to negotiate for viable peace, provoking responses. The consequences of belligerence should be obvious by now, they cannot hope to win this conflict militarily.
Funny how that street doesn't go both ways for you, Hamas' violence and murders are fine but Israel are monsters for counterattacking in self-defense. I hope one day you can see your biases and if you were in their shoes I suspect you'd feel differently.
You’re straight up delusional if you think Isreal is going to be defeated at this point, hell look at the Yom Kippur war being the biggest underdog ass kicking in modern history. You’re even more so if you think the west is increasing sympathy for Radical Muslims.
If you think terrorism is going to defeat Israel it’s just going to result in Palestine ceasing to exist.
There's been an 11 point rise in public support for Palestinians in the US since the war began early this month. There's also been an 11 point drop in Biden's approval rating in that same time. And you're calling me delusional? Not everyone is buying the innocent victim act anymore. Times are changing, whether you cling desperately to the old reality or not.
And there’s been an even larger rise in Israeli sympathy.
https://abcnews.go.com/538/americans-war-israel/story?id=104150059
So yes I would still call you delusional. Reality is much different than the internet circlejerks you unironically fall for.
Learn history.