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The Israeli army fired artillery shells containing white phosphorus, an incendiary weapon, in military operations along Lebanon’s southern border between 10 and 16 October 2023.

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[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bombing a building filled with civilians just because some arsehole who help do (or did) a terrible thing is hiding in there certainly sounds like collective punishment ..

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hiding amongst your own civilians when you just killed a bunch of Jewish civilians could also be considered collective punishment. They are targeting the enemy. The enemy is commiting a war crime. If Israel intentionally targeted civilians not around the enemy because they elected Hamas as their government this enabling state sponsors terrorism, it would be considered collective punishment.

[–] jalda@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If Israel intentionally targeted civilians not around the enemy because they elected Hamas as their government this enabling state sponsors terrorism, it would be considered collective punishment.

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/30/1209308436/west-bank-israel-jenin-palestinians-killed-raids-airstrike-mosque

Israel is also attacking the West Bank, where there is no Hamas.

Hiding amongst your own civilians

I have never understood this argument of terrorists "hiding" amongst civilians. Terrorists are people, that live in residential buildings, that pray in temples, and that go to hospitals when they are injured or ill.

My country, Spain, had a huge problem between the 1970s and the 2010s with the terrorist group ETA. But nobody was ever so fucking psycho as to suggest bombing the places in the Basque country were the terrorists lived. There are other ways of fighting against terrorism that don't include the killing of civilians.

They are targeting the enemy.

No. They are targeting civilian areas where there are maybe some enemies.

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I am sure you would not feel the same way about inaction if your family were being held at gunpoint because of their beliefs. I am not sure you are arguing in good faith if you do not think that terrorists who killed thousands of people are legitimate targets. Extremely few people would agree with you and you are literally the first I have ever met. (Including many academics who are very pro-Palestine and anti-West)

[–] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do you also think the UK were wrong in how they handled the IRA? Should they have just bombed them?

[–] nobleart9932@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lol, how is that going? Got many of the hostages released?

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

Yes actually and Israel's actions so far have resulted in the capture of enough militants for a swap. Not that you could possibly acknowledge that being forced to swap militants for civilians is in any way a good look for the elected government of Palestine.

[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

"The other guy is doing it" isn't a justification for committing war crimes. You are also considered a war criminal regardless.