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CNN’s Wolf Blitzer seemed at a lost of words at the justification being used to bomb a refugee camp in Gaza.

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[–] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The "air support" isn't support, because they haven't made a serious push into Gaza yet. And even if they had, they're not killing many Hamas fighters. Many of them will be in the vast network of tunnels, which no amount of US-supplied munitions can reach. Even the deepest penetrating bunker buster we have can barely reach those tunnels, and as far as I've seen in news reports, we haven't provided them any of those because we don't have many to begin with due to their specialty use. For that matter, I don't think Israel has bombers capable of carrying them anyway, since they weigh over 27,000lbs per munition.

So all that bombing is doing little except killing civilians.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-57A/B_MOP

Are you seriously trying to argue that those tunnels are at least 200 feet underground? Buildings don't matter to these munitions, solid packed earth does.

Those tunnels are at best 6 to 10 feet underground, and could be breached with standard munitions, bunker busters aren't needed, as Hamas hasn't had the funding or materials to concrete line the walls to bunker specifications.

[–] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 10 months ago

No, I'm not arguing that, the US government is arguing that, based upon tunnels the IDF's Yahalom unit has found, including one that was found in 2022 that was supposedly at least 230 feet deep. I haven't the foggiest idea how deep those tunnels go, I'm getting my information from the US and Israeli government. It's entirely possible they're exaggerating the depth for propaganda purposes, or even under exaggerating.

The paper from West point I read also said the tunnels were primarily prefabricated concrete sides and ceilings. So either you're wrong, or the IDF is.