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[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

nonsensical war over a strip of land

I've struggled to understand why civilians on either side have wanted to continue residing in that specific zone after decades of clashes/violence. I know it's not as simple as just uprooting your family to move elsewhere, but as a parent I know I'd rather any other option than living in constant fear of unbridled violence erupting at any moment in a highly volatile area.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well, a part of it is that the people of Gaza are not allowed to leave.

There are only a handful of crossings out of Gaza and Israel controls all but one. The Egyptian crossing leads out into a desolate desert with no services.

Want to hop on a boat and flee that way? Israel will torpedo you. Want to walk up to the wall to see the boundary of your prison? Israel will machine gun you down, no questions asked, no warnings given.

A large portion of the population of Gaza started out as refugees, forced out of their homes and off of their land so that Zionist settlers could have it.

[–] tygerprints@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I've heard that they aren't allowed to leave, but the strip of land we're talking about isn't all that small either. I know that Israel has confined Palestines to that area for decades which is not just oppression, it's akin to running a death camp. I believe there's enough room in that region for Palestinians to live comfortably beside the Jewish people - so why not concede this land to them? And stop forcing people to remain there if the wish to leave.

[–] Guydht@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Even given the option, most if not all will choose to not leave. Since 48 the Palestinians have been chanting "from the river to the sea" and not taking lots of peace treaties offered by Israel and other nations, based on the premise that they'll stay in their current 67 border.

Not to mention lots of Jews also don't wanna live in a non-jewish state of fear of prosecution, pogroms and antisemitism, which you can see examples of happening right now in Europe.

[–] quicksand@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

An Israeli I know was given benefits from the government to settle near that area. Luckily he went to his in laws house the second the war started. But the government paying people to live there might have something to do with it

[–] tygerprints@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I was a bit harsh but from the footage I've seen (and mind you it's almost all footage of war torn areas) I'm not understanding why there's a conflict over it at all. I do understand the history of Palestinian repressing by the country of Israel and I do understand the horrors that Hamas has unleashed - but as you say why favor living in a land of unbridled hostility and volatility. And what's to lose by giving Palestinians their land back and maybe a little more besides? Israel is a big place. There IS room for both muslims and jews. We all either learn to live in peace or we destroy each other until nothing is left.