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[–] quatschkopf34@feddit.de 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well, it‘s actually true that Hamas uses civil infrastructure and civilians as shields, you can’t deny that. Of course that doesn‘t mean that Israel can just bomb everything.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

Somebody should tell Israel

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

in an area where the population density is 5,300 people/km2 "human shields" is a quite weak argument. It is practically impossible to seperate civillian and military infrastructure in such densely populated areas.

For comparision the Netherlands has about 500 people/km2 and it is one of the most densely populated countries in Europe.

[–] quatschkopf34@feddit.de 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is a difference between the close proximity of military and civilian infrastructure because of a high population density and actively choosing hospitals as military bases.

[–] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Another great way of not getting your civilians targeted is to wear identifying uniforms.

It's almost like Hamas doesn't want to prevent civilian casualties.

[–] maryjayjay@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well that totally justifies killing everyone in sight

[–] Guydht@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, but it does justify telling all civilians to evacuate weeks before launching an actual full scale attack, increasing their odds of survival from 0% to 90%. War is ugly.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

War is ugly.

Supporting white supreamcist settler-colonialism is ugly, too.

[–] GoldenAxeDwarf@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most Israelis are non-Ashkenazi, so not "white".

And considering there has been a continuous Jewish presence in Israel for thousands of years, your (lack of) logic is flawed.

Did you find some big words you're trying to find a way to practice?

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most Israelis are non-Ashkenazi, so not “white”.

Say it louder. Bellow it from the rooftops so that every Jewish person in occupied Palestine can hear you - they aren't "white" enough for you... just like your European ancestors insisted when they massacred Jewish people and drove them from their homes due to their rabid antisemitism. Show them why you really enable them, right-winger.

Jewish presence in Israel

Yeah... that's why there are Jewish Palestinians, Christian Palestinians and, of course, Muslim Palestinians. They have been there for centuries - long before Christian antisemites invented the ideology of Zionism.

[–] GoldenAxeDwarf@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Until you start using terms like occupied America and occupied Australia, you're just a hypocrite.

And an antisemitic hypocrite, at that.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago

And an antisemitic hypocrite, at that.

Oh look... a right-winger pretending that criticizing the west's little kapo state in the middle-east is (somehow) "antisemitic."

How precious.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are right. Hamas is not acting responsible leave alone lawful in where they put military installations. But that is used by Israel to just bomb anything they feel like bombing, and for that it is a weak arguement. Especially since we have nothing but Israels pinky promise that there were military targets in whatever they bombed.

Given how Israel extensively attacked civillian and ambulance convoys fleeing on the routes designated by Israel to flee to the south, as demanded by Israel, i cannot help the feeling that they are just shooting at random to instill more fear and destruction.

For that again i find it weird, how Israel was entirely unprepared for the terror attacks of Hamas on the 7. October but immediately claimed to know exactly where Hamas is having what installations in Gaza. I remember how the Russian preparations for the Ukraine invasion have been discussed for months and the question remaining was, whether Putin is that insane or not. Now with Hamas that question was moot, so how the fuck did Israel both know exactly where all of Hamas is, but didnt notice any preparations for the attacks?

I cannot shake the feeling that Israel has much less knowledge about Hamas positions than they claim.

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or, that they do know what's going on, but let the attack happen because Israeli civilians are nearly as expendable as Palestinian civilians, at least to the people who profit from the war machine...

[–] rchive@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel does appear to value its civilians a lot more than Hamas. There have been prisoner swaps where Hamas will hold out swapping one Israeli until Israel agrees to literally hundreds of Palestinians.

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

What a bargain!

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

it‘s actually true that Hamas uses civil infrastructure and civilians as shields

Riiight... there's a Hamas "terrorist" hiding behind every Palestinian child... and if you can't see them, it just proves how sneaky they are, amirite?