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[–] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I don't think one has anything to do with the other

I'm pretty sure he was saying he liked math because he plays chess, not because he's gay

[–] LemmysMum@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Which makes no sense because chess is a logic and presupposition game, not mathematical. And someone's capacity for logic doesn't determine their ability to translate that between mathematical logic and positional logic.

I get that it's just a lead in to a gay porn, but they could at least have their basic understanding of logical deduction and individual capacity correct.

[–] chumbalumber@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I would fundamentally disagree that being good at chess doesn't help you with being good at maths.

Maths is an incredibly broad field, and a lot of the skills necessary for being good at maths at a higher level (visualisation, pattern recognition, mental stamina, etc.) are developed in chess.

This is only considering causation, but in the original meme all that's required to explain the assumption being made is correlation, which there absolutely is. I ran a chess club when I was at university studying maths, and the vast majority of attendees were STEM students.

If I can put this in terms you'll be happy with: the conditional probability that someone's favourite subject is maths given they enjoy chess is much higher than the unconditional probability that someone's favourite subject is maths.

As such, the remark made in the meme is entirely sensible, and thus the validity of the plot stands. The defense rests.

[–] LemmysMum@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

They said maths was their strongest subject not their favourite. Supposition of preference due to capacity is a mistake. Also you've fallen into the trap of conflating correlation and causation you even noted you had to for your point to be relevant. Capacity for mathematics doesn't presuppose either a capacity or preference for chess, but for logic.

[–] tygerprints@kbin.social -2 points 11 months ago

Actually I didn't even really like math, I was just oddly good at it. And I really don't play chess because I'm embarrassingly bad at it. My point was just that it's unusual to find anything of a scholastic nature in gay movies - unless you look at them as an education unto themselves (i.e., don't look at naked men unless you wanna get an education).