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U.S. Rep. Rashida Tlaib's defense of a phrase used by Palestinians in connection with the war between Israel and Hamas is drawing condemnation from critics, including two prominent fellow Democrats — Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel and U.S. Rep. Elissa Slotkin.

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[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago (5 children)

The two state solution will never work. After this conflict, neither side trusts the other enough to share borders any longer. Israel thinks they're stopping terrorists, but in the process they're inspiring hundreds more.

A neutral body needs to step in and end the Apartheid state in Israel. Equal rights and protections need to be given for Palestinians, they deserve equal representation in government, and democratic elections need to be held that can be audited by the international community.

Dissolve the Israeli military and set up an international peacekeeping force in the region for at least 10 years. After that, they are allowed nothing more than a self defense force. Codify it into the new constitution that they cannot make any expansionist movements from that point on.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't think that would work much better to be honest, because the groups would still hold resentment against eachother for a long time after. I fear it'd end up like what often has happened in post-colonial states with borders arbitrarily drawn by outside powers, where power struggles follow ethnic lines and frequent civil wars involve genocide. If an outside power even could impose that (and one should consider that Israel is almost definitely nuclear armed), then that power could also set up two or more states and enforce a buffer between them, or with power sufficiently balanced between the two sides as to deter full scale war.

[–] addys@lemmy.ninja 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

yeah nobody calls to "step in and end" anything for a sovereign country. Good luck trying to "step in" to China, Russia etc. Same for Israel. If you want to dissolve the military then you are welcome to go over there and give it a try.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Don't need to do much else than step back and wait. The israeli military is entirely dependent on western aid.

[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

As a Jewish person who was able to escape antisemitism in Russia in the 1980s, the state of Israel should not exist. There shouldn’t be a Jewish state.It was taken away from Palestinians and given to Jews in order to keep Jewish refugees from ending up in England and the U.S. Its birth is based on antisemitism and is perpetuated on antisemitism. U.S. Christians are trying to fulfill the end times prophecy. They want us to be sacrificial lambs.

[–] mycatiskai@lemmy.one 2 points 10 months ago

You can have a Jewish state or a democratic state, but you can't have both.

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