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Israel’s military has claimed it has encircled Gaza City and divided the besieged coastal strip into two, as Gaza came under its third total communications outage since the start of the war.

“Today, there is north Gaza and south Gaza,” Israeli army spokesman Daniel Hagari told reporters on Sunday, calling it a “significant stage” in Israel’s war against Hamas.

Israeli media reported that troops are expected to enter Gaza City within 48 hours. Strong explosions were seen in northern Gaza after nightfall.

But the “collapse in connectivity” across Gaza reported by internet access advocacy group NetBlocks.org and confirmed by the Palestinian telecom company Paltel made it even more complicated to convey details of the new stage of the military offensive.

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[–] samokosik@lemmynsfw.com -5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, they lived there at the same time, still Jews came in 13th century BC whilst Philistines not sooner than 12th. In addition, Phillistines were a tribe from an area close to Greece/Macedonia.

However, I agree that there were promises both to Jews and Palestinians. Hence why a compromise had to be made. Israel accepted, Palestine did not (several times).

[–] TheDankHold@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

So they came in you say? So it sounds like by your logic it doesn’t belong to them either, huh? Maybe we should track down the descendants of ancient Canaanites and give them the territory. After all the Israelites were pastoralists east of the levant before they moved into conquer the territory.

More manipulative framing. The Brit’s told Palestinians they could have their land. Then told European Jews they’d give them Palestinians land. A colonial empire took land from Palestinians to give to Europeans. And by “took from” I mean they removed people from their ancestral homes to move in colonists.

Palestinians were told to give up their homes to European immigrants and those immigrants were told they could only colonize half of Palestinian territory. That’s a compromise the same way taking one eye instead of letting you keep both is. I don’t care if you promised someone else both of my eyes, they aren’t your eyes to give away.

[–] samokosik@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 10 months ago

One state solution would be nice but do you think they could agree on that?

Arab school or having a state is very different compared to the way Israel works. Whilst none of the Arab countries respects the basic human rights, israel allows registered partnerships and even adoptions by LGBTI people. I am not really sure how this would work.

Another problem could be the extremely radical Jews/Arabs who could maybe threaten the democracy of the one state solution and accept strictly religious decisions.

[–] samokosik@lemmynsfw.com -5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Comparison to 2 eyes is very inaccurate as: a) there already were jews leaving Europe for obvious reasons, they had to go somewhere b) at some point, the land belonged to both jews and arabs

I agree with you that the way of distributing the land was very terrible.

[–] TheDankHold@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They “had to go somewhere” is only true if you decide Europe can’t fix its own antisemitism.

Regardless, they didn’t have to displace people from their homes. The US, especially in the 40s, has tons of space for new communities to form.

There was no need to kick locals out of their homes so you can ship in foreigners.

Also don’t separate Arab and Jew. There are Arab Jews and they lived alongside Palestinians for centuries. The land was lived in by Arabs and Europeans came in and kicked most of them out of half of their homelands.

Britain promised the Arabs (which had members of all three main abrahamic sects) that they could rule the land they lived in. Then after the war they promised some Europeans that they could have all of that territory. The analogy fits just fine.

[–] samokosik@lemmynsfw.com -3 points 10 months ago

The question is how many exactly left because the Arab leaders proposed and how many were actually kicked out. Today, Israel has 20% of Arab citizens which have exactly the same right as Jewish ones, so I doubt to believe every single Arab was expelled by IDF because they were not jews.

There was even a speech by Ben Gurion that asked Arabs to stay where they were.