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[–] Roflol@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I live with socialized healthcare, its nice. Especially for the poor, who would not be getting any without it. But you get random doctor that might be good or not very good. Some medicine you wont get cause its too expensive to procure. In the us, it seems if you got good coverage, you get better healthcare than pretty much all countries with socialized healthcare today. But i dont live in the us, so i dont know

[–] unfreeradical@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But i dont live in the us, so i dont know

Obviously not.

[–] Roflol@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you are saying you dont get better healthcare in the US than say, UK, if you have a good healthcare insurance?

[–] unfreeradical@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

You can buy anything money can buy (if you have the money to buy it).

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

If you are elite enough to get top notch health insurance in the United States, but not elite enough to hire a personal ~~supplier~~ doctor, then you get top-notch healthcare.

If you're below that tier, you might get adequate healthcare but not great healthcare. The population health of Europe seems to be consistently better on their socialized programs.

Now yes, UK's NHS has been deteriorating specifically correlating to when the Tories outsourced it to commercial providers so that's an instance that appears to be socialized healthcare that got corrupted by capitalism. As is George W. Bush's modification of Medicare so that we clients allegedly choose a provider that is then paid by Medicare. It also shifted prescriptions from Medicaid to Medicare D, again outsourcing fulfillment to privatized suppliers.

What is curious is that medical services, medicines and medical treatments cost typically more than twice as much in the US than they do anywhere else for the same thing so we're paying extra, whether we're getting premium or shit. As a result, those who have to pay out of pocket will often get their meds shipped from Canada or Mexico.

So regardless of what your medical system outside of the US, the medical system in the US is not a good model to follow.