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[–] wrinkletip@feddit.nl 23 points 9 months ago (13 children)

As much as I agree, these are different things. EVs are fixing greenhouse gases. While the others are also bad things, they aren't really global climate changers.

[–] Mars@beehaw.org -1 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Are they? Because unless you live in some green energy paradise, most EV are charged using coal plants.

[–] Rookeh@startrek.website 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Doesn't need to be a "green energy paradise", just a reasonably well connected first world country.

Take a look at Electricity Maps. Unless you live somewhere isolated or with very poorly developed grid infrastructure (or some central US states, apparently), you should see a non-trivial amount of electricity being generated by non-fossil fuels. For example, at the time of typing this 77% of the electricity I'm using is low-carbon and 50% of it is renewable.

That's the kicker. EVs don't have to rely on fossil fuels to operate (but they can make use of them depending on the grid infrastructure). ICE cars on the other hand are burning fuel wherever they go.

Walking or cycling will always be the least polluting means of getting around, but if you really need a car then you could do a lot worse than getting an electric one.

[–] Mars@beehaw.org 1 points 9 months ago

I’m really sceptic about that kind of metrics because many of them take carbon offsets into account, and carbon offsets are mostly greenwashing.

Power mix in the world right now is over 50% coal and gas, and only hydro is over a 10%. This is worldwide, so mix varies depending on where you are.

In the end EVs are no making a dent in power demand. They are increasing it. The percentage of fossil fuels is maybe going down but total fossil fuel consumption is increasing as our demand does. Green energy is only taking some of the slack from the increase.

EVs will be remembered as the thing we did to keep using cars and feeling good about it.

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