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How I tell my friends I'm on Lemmy (lemmy.world)

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[-] pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 months ago

Great plain language breakdown for the uninitiated. Doesn't disregard socialism as a solution to the problems outlined, but that's a whole other discussion. Frankly at this point in history, it's largely academic IMHO.

a lot of the human populace is becoming useless.

Emphasis mine. This would be my only edit. Useless only as a consumer and worker. Still imbued with dignity and capable of generating meaning and experiencing a worthy life.

[-] Phanlix@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

My bad, I did mean useless in terms of a production standpoint.

I've never personally had a problem with being useless. The time I value most in my life is the time I spend idle because it feels like I have so little idle time.

[-] pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago

Now it's my bad. I didn't mean to imply anything about your intent. Your goodwill is pretty clear from everything else you wrote. Just wanted to add a little asterisk there, for other readers.

[-] Phanlix@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Great plain language breakdown for the uninitiated. Doesn’t disregard socialism as a solution to the problems outlined, but that’s a whole other discussion.

I've always pictured socialism as more a middle step toward full blown communism. I also recognize the value of private enterprise and competition. So whatever communist society we end up with still needs to find ways for that healthy competition to thrive.

But like... We can easily meet human needs at this point for everyone. It's unjust and stupid not to do so

[-] Cowbee@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

Socialism in the traditional Marxist path is a transitional step to Communism, yes. Communism, however, is fully anti-market, and as such is anti-competition. Communism is a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society, perhaps you meant to say a system like Market Socialism should precede Communism, rather than some impossible form of competitive Communism?

[-] pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago

I think we might be mixing up our micros and macros. Seems like some people will enjoy competition and outdoing each other no matter the extrinsic (or lack thereof) rewards. That's how it is now, anyway.

[-] Cowbee@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago

Competition, sure. Sports, competitive cooperation, and other methods can be had. Market competition would not exist.

I could be saying the same thing you're saying though, so correct me if I'm misunderstanding please.

[-] pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago

I don't think we're disagreeing, but I'm thinking of like a somewhat friendly rivalry between, like, two teams of tool makers to outdo each other in design or production efficiencies. Like the kind of stuff that people get up to at work or play, naturally.

I'm no economist, but that doesn't sound like market competition to me. At least there is no driving force behind it, other than human nature, or maybe like an ad hoc competition for kudos or esteem.

[-] pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago

I feel like if we could get everyone's basic needs met, then human ambition would fill in the gaps. Not for everyone of course, but that's the case right now - needing money doesn't necessarily make you more ambitious.