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[–] steltek@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Really? They're absolutely everywhere on Lemmy:

  • IDF has fabricated evidence of Hamas using hospitals.
  • Israel is responsible for Hamas' own actions, often including the 7 October attack.
  • Hamas are noble freedom fighters against an occupation. The ends justify the means.

Merely challenging some of these points can get you banned on a few instances.

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago

Never seen any of those except the second one in the sense that it reflects articles like this and similar: https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

The other points are hexbear or lemmygrad trolls.

[–] endhits@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel is responsible for Hamas' own actions, often including the 7 October attack.

Israel not only created an environment where terrorism grows and thrives, they also funded Hamas early on in part of their effort to stamp out secular resistances. The burden of Hamas' existences falls on Israel too.

[–] b3nsn0w@pricefield.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the same way hamas doesn't represent palestine, netanyahu's government doesn't represent israel either. the funding of hamas was a far-right candidate's propaganda tactic, not something that the people of israel decided would be a good idea.

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I haven't actually seen anybody blame all Israelis for Netanyahu's or the IDF's actions. It's generally understood we're talking about the people in power.

[–] 5BC2E7@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

You must have just joined lemmy then

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

While the 1st and 3rd points are nonsense, there's legitimate strong evidence for point 2. Far right Israeli politicians want this conflict.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-20/ty-article-opinion/.premium/a-brief-history-of-the-netanyahu-hamas-alliance/0000018b-47d9-d242-abef-57ff1be90000

Which means there's 3 sides to the conflict, not 2 - civilians and 2 governments. And a ton of people here are supporting mass murder of civilians because they were born on the wrong side of a border.

Edit: of course tribalists are downvoting facts with sources

[–] b3nsn0w@pricefield.org 3 points 1 year ago

^ this. both governments need to be gone, that's the only chance for the civilians, palestinans and israelis alike, to see peace in their lifetime.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

No. I'm not seeing these talking points.

[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

This is the first I've heard of it