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The US doesn't have any strategic benefit in propping up Israel other than doing so being weirdly important to white voters.
Incorrect. For one, Israel is our key point of contact in the middle east. Also, to your point about the white voters, it stems from historical religious ideology that some fictional magic being named "yahweh" promised the land to these people called "israelites."
Because we have a large portion of our population that are huge fans of this horribly-written abrahamic sci-fi fantasy fairytale, they exude blind support for Israel in the hopes that it will "fulfill the end-times prophecy." The fact that many of these loons have positions of power and decision-making highlights the absurd kakistocracy America has become.........
Let's not gloss over your first point too much. Like yeah the average American voter probably likes Israel for religious/Zionist reasons, but the American politicians and generals that want to be friends with Israel are definitely in it for the strategic value of having an ally in the Middle East. Like, you think Biden gives a shit about Zionism? Nah. He just likes the military industrial complex
Excellent point. The government uses the religious part to garner support for Israel, which empowers the military industrial complex. That may be why social medias are generally hostile to leftism and antitheism, because both undermine the foreign policy agenda that fuels our hyper-militarism.
Race has nothing to do with it. Christian Zealots want all that land to belong to Israel because they think it will start the rapture and then the Christian Armageddon.
And Jewish zealots want all that land to belong to Israel because they think they're the only ones who have any right to it. They literally think an invisible wizard in the sky gave it to them and that anyone who says or even suggests anything to the contrary is an antisemite.
I know we have outposts in Israel keeping an eye on - as an example - Iran and shit, but why do we have to be enemies with Iran in the first place? Our situation with Israel just seems like a pointless one-way relationship that only serves to further alienate the rest of the middle east from us.
The US points fingers at Iran for everything Saudi Arabia is guilty of. And since Biden uttered a single syllable of criticism of them, they stopped selling oil in american dollars. So since we're off the gold standard, we've given power over our currency to Saudi Arabia.
But to your question. Saudi Arabia decided to work with us and fuck their people. Iran wanted to give their people some dignity in exchange for what we wanted from them. The only reason we haven't turned Iran to ash, like we did with every other country in the middle east and are continuing to do...excluding Saudi Arabia and Israel. Is because going to war with Iran means going to war with Russia and going to war with Russia means nuclear Armageddon for the entire world from WW3 happening
But now we're sprinting toward nuclear Armageddon with what's happening in Gaza AND Ukraine. We have Hillary making up Russiagate to thank for the bullshit happening in Ukraine...that and the US has been fucking with Russia through Ukraine for decades now.
How does the US not have any strategic interest in propping up Israel? This is insane. Israel is the biggest strategic ally of the US in the middle east, do you not know anything about the issue? They protect and fund Israel more than anyone in the world.
Yeah, the US is the only thing keeping Israel in business. They're useful to keep an eye on Iran, because we don't like Iran, because...?
Saudis need our weapons, and Qatar likes the money we spend to keep our increasing number of bases there. But these are purely transactional relationships that we can have with anyone.
I think Kuwait are still fans of the US.
Other than that, everyone hates us because we protect Israel, and they hate Israel. Why don't we just join the club, and pick up an entire region of strategic allies instead of "Israel at all costs"?