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Surveillance footage shows Hamas bringing hostages into Shifa Hospital on Oct. 7
(www.timesofisrael.com)
this post was submitted on 19 Nov 2023
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To be fair, Al Jazeera is blatantly anti-Israel, so I wouldn’t trust their analysis without other corroborating sources. Regardless, the evidence the IDF presented for that particular video was far from conclusive, so it’s certainly possible that particular entrance wasn’t to the Hamas tunnel network.
I also don’t doubt that nurse video is fake, but the source of the video is far from definitive. Many parties in this conflict benefit from muddling the waters with fake videos.
As if being anti-Israel means that Al Jazeera throws journalistic integrity into the wind? If the facts are valid, they're valid regardless of what the spin being put on them is.
UN-mandated body says Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh the ‘victim of the excessive and disproportionate force used by Israeli security forces’.
Gee, I sure wonder why Al Jazeera would be anti-Israel...
Bias needs to be taken into account, but it does not invalidate good reporting on its own. It’s the same reason I don’t immediately believe all statements from the IDF. They are a party in the conflict and extremely biased. They are however a valuable source of information and their claims should be considered. I would also rank the credibility of the IDF over the credibility of Hamas.
Other comment got reported, but still doesn't change the fact that you're comparing two bad sources and trying to pick one that's less bad.
If Hamas starts releasing verifiably false videos to Western audiences, then I'll discredit that too.
Are the countless numbers of staged videos not verifiably false enough for you? They literally operate a filming crew making victim propaganda.
You don't have to look far for fake Hamas videos. Are you kidding? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna120978
Hamas bombed their own hospital and then said the IDF did it and everyone ate it up
Saying you blindly believe Hamas, a known terrorist organization that says that all Jews worldwide should be wiped out, is really taking the mask off. You should be ashamed of yourself. It's fine to assume Israel lies, but to blindly trust Hamas is truly moronic. I hope you wake up to reality one day
Not a great example. All recent reporting was that the hospital you're talking about was hit by a Hezbollah rocket, not Hamas. Not surprising that Hamas would assume, after concluding it wasn't them, that it was the IDF, and it not be an outright lie.
Actually yes, that's exactly what they've done time and time again.
How, when?
Well the most obvious example is the strike on that hospital killing 500 that ended up being a failed PIJ rocket landing on the hospital parking lot killing 10-20 people.
As far as I’m aware there is no conclusive evidence that it was a PIJ rocket. You can only really believe that if you actually trust the IDF.
You rather believe Hamas that it was an Israeli rocket when all available evidence verified by multiple governments claims to the contrary?
I will believe the findings of a third party investigation which the UN has called for. The “evidence” provided by the IDF is not at all conclusive. As I said, you can’t pretend otherwise unless you trust the IDF.
Sure, just keep your blinders on and keep going. It's not like other governments corroborated that or anything. A fact you chose to clearly ignore in the comment you replied to.
So I’m supposed to believe “other governments” that you have yet to name over the UN?
US, Canada, France. I would hope so. Even better, you could have looked it up yourself.
The US and Israel are the only one making strong claims about who is responsible. France and Canada statements were not conclusive and did not “verify” Israel’s supposed evidence like you said. I think I’d rather wait for a third party investigation before I conclude that Israel, the country who’s had killed over 5000 children in little over a month, is free from culpability in this one instance.
So 3rd party US is not enough of a 3rd party...
Sure, the country who provides bombs to Israel so that they can drop them on Gaza is a totally neutral third party and not Israel’s #1 supporter. Lol
So by your definition the UN is not a 3rd party either, since they're providing aid to Gaza.
You don’t have to convince me. Giving and medical care, education, and food to a people under blockade is totally the equivalent of giving bombs and guns to a state that’s actively committing war crimes. If it turns out to be a PIJ rocket, the UN will be directly implicated in a war crime and therefore they aren’t trustworthy. It makes perfect sense if you don’t think about it.
I'm honestly confused because the original article just says Hamas was seen taking one of the hostages to the hospital. Isn't that a good thing like hey they are trying to make sure these people don't die?
Wouldn't it be better to not murder, rape and kidnap a couple thousand innocent civilians in the first place?
I mean, come on man... You're acting as if taking two kidnapped Israeli citizens to hospital overshadows how they got into that situation in the first place.
Yeah I completely agree with your sentiment your talking about both sides right? I'm saying that it makes no sense to bomb a hospital if your enemy is taking the hostages there the get healed unless you don't care about the hostages and just want to kill Palestinians.
Your point is moot as far as I'm concerned. Don't take mother fucking hostages in the first place...
Yeah I agree with both sides. You realize Israel has been arresting children simply because someone said they picked up a rock or said free Palestine. Sounds like both sides are taking hostages.