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[–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's say you have 1kw of electricity. And you have two choices for that electricity.

One, you take that electricity, use it to crack hydrogen from water, then use more of that electricity to synthesize the fuel with atmospheric carbon, then transport that efuel to a station, then burn that efuel in an engine that wastes upwards of 75% of the energy in that efuel as heat loss.

OR, you take that electricity, and you charge a car, and the car uses that electricity to move via motor that only wastes 15-20% of the energy.

The solution is obvious yes? You're basically wasting grid capacity to keep gasoline cars alive.

Bonus, instead of just being carbon "net zero", you can use the carbon capture to sequester it and be carbon negative instead, since with efuels you're just releasing that captured carbon back into the air. Isn't it better to be carbon negative than carbon neutral?

Extra bonus? How about not giving everyone near a major road increased amounts of asthma and lung cancer due to tailpipe emissions, since carbon dioxide isn't the only thing coming out of cars.

Extra Extra Bonus? How about not polluting the water table of every city in the world with oil leaks.

Efuels make zero sense. It actually makes MORE sense to just fucking burn good old fashioned gasoline and do carbon capture than to waste grid capacity.

The only purpose Efuels exist is to brainwash people like you into fighting electric vehicles so fossil fuel companies and auto makers can try to run out the clock.

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't understand your main part, which is the energy efficiency (edit: I mean, that's bot the point). I'm talking about the regulatory problem with the EV manufacturing that makes is very hard to actually achieve net zero with EVs.

The rest is fine.

[–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t understand your main part

Yes, people who like to pump efuels share that problem. If you can't understand it you will be stuck believing in oil-industry claptrap.

I’m talking about the regulatory problem with the EV manufacturing that makes is very hard to actually achieve net zero with EVs.

The main issue with gas cars is the gas, what you're saying is a red herring that doesn't even make sense.

Answer me this: Is manufacturing gasoline cars carbon free?

Of course not!

EVs and Gasoline cars both currently involve carbon output. So you're trying to imply that somehow making a battery pack (the big differentiator) is a process that produces such a huge amount of carbon, that it outweighs the 10k+ gallons of gasoline an ICE car burns throughout its lifetime.

That's an extraordinary claim. Where is the extraordinary evidence?

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Answer me this: Is manufacturing gasoline cars carbon free?

I stop here. Manufacturing EVs aren't carbon free either. Actually, manufacturing the battery emits far more carbon than manufacturing an engine.

So, all I see from you is move the goal post repeatedly while not countering my main point: difficulty of regulation in manufacturing EVs.

[–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

You got that timecube vibe.