Did the admins poll the community about it? Why was such measure so needed? If the tankie content is so annoying why not let users decide what they want to see or not and what they want to block?
I don't like that the admins want to censor the content I can view or not. You guys are not protecting us nor doing us a favor, you're imposing your views over everyone else by limiting the information we are able to receive.
I don't support the devs views or the views in lemmygrad, but this is a dangerous precedent.
I've read several of the "arguments" for blocking the instance and all I can see is a bunch of people talking about politics and arguing about "floods in the frontpage". Well, let the user block communities if that's the case, same way I'm already blocking communities I'm not interested.
I think the admins want to feel like Facebook moderation. I'd be OK with it if any instance repeatedly generated spam, security, doxxing or any other concern that couldn't be solved by banning individuals, otherwise it's just plain censorship.
I just don't want the admins to use their power to decide what I can see or not. If this is going to be like this, I'll leave for a better instance because I can see where this is going to.
So, a political thing? And why I'm not allowed to see denialist content? Am I a baby? You feel like a baby that needs parental control from admins?
Sorry for the hostility but that's what this boils down to. Admin decisions over users. And I don't care about whatever political/worldview controversy they use to base their abuse of power.
Then join a different server?
Thanks for pointing the obvious but this is about having a conversation. Users should not let admins impose their views and accept it as normal. That's why subreddit mods where acting like tyrants.
Even if I create an acc in another instance and forget about this one, I raised questions. You guys are free to draw your conclusions.
Fair, but you don't get to go into someone's house and demand they act according to your rules.
If you want the change so bad, go to a different house or make your own.
Following your logic all the people that protested the API where wrong by demanding the leadership to not fuck the platform? Lol
Maybe if the API were the only part of that. It was part of the problem but the other parts were losing extensive modtools to actually moderate the subreddits you go to bitch in, with no replacements despite a decade of promises. Also the whole brush off of accessibility tools for users with visual/cognitive/physical impairments which only just got an exemption.
There's a huge difference. Reddit has people working for free to moderate content with no support from the site and decided to take those tools away without replacing them. The people who provide value to the company thus being shafted.
Lemmy has tons of instances so you can find the one with the rules you like and join there while still getting access to all of the "subreddits".
So no, it's not the same at all. It would be more akin to demanding that all of the third party apps have the same tools and access across all devices despite there being plenty of other serviceable options.
To me leadership and administration is in place to serve the people. The people managing this server are essentially providing a service whether for free or whatever. It is totally OK to raise concerns, questions and demand changes. I think most people just feel reassured of having that instance blocked because it matches their worldview.
Cool story, go be a leader you like then.
What's the line, though? No content should ever be moderated/removed? I'm sure there is a topic or viewpoint you have no interest in being inundated with that is fine for someone else. If there isn't, that's abnormal based on my personal experience.
Yes, I regularly block communities from my feed. It is my decision. I am not delegating this decision to the admins. What's the line? I already mentioned: overall security, spam, legal issues, totally fine to me.
All I'm doing is to ask questions and express discomfort about the server owner restricting my access and you guys get all defensive
I think you not wrong but at the same time, you should look at the context here. Instances are being run by private people, not professional corporations.
I feel like you expect company level support here and want explanations why things are moderated a certain way. But this is up to the instance owner. You can ask why but if you don't get a response, that's basically your answer.
Good thing is, you can pick an instance where the moderator actually does respond to you and engages in discussions about why he did what he did. I love that we are federated.
The stuff they post gets put into the servers in your instance, if its illegal the instance owner might be liable, and lemmygrad stuff is straight up illegal in many places genocide denial for example, also their brigading is very annoying and hard to moderate.
That seems reasonable if that's the case. In the future I'd like to be part of a community where if admins take such decisions bordering censorship, they have a public log explaining why they do it. Legal, hosting issues, spam, are all valid reasons to me. I guess at this size it's also reasonable to lack such protocols, but it's important to have them.
There already is a mod log, on the website bottom you can see the instances, mod log and more useful stuff, the mod log right now however doesn't really show reasons, unless they manually enter one.
I also know how to create an account in several instances. It's not about technical issues, it is about the culture.
So someone who is donating their server for your entertainment should be forced to potentially be hosting terroristic comments and posts, child porn, you name it... And be put on govt lists and have a higher risk of being raised because people want to do whatever they want? Yeah...I'm perfectly fine with someone restricting stuff that can be considered extremist from their machine that were borrowing.
Not saying any specific instance is doing the stuff I mentioned above. More giving my 2 cents on why Its not an issue, especially since you can go to another instance and see everything anyways . These are not companies doing this stuff, it's individuals with actual lives, not some board of directors who want more money.
Ok and where's the announcement? Where's the explanation? There's just a lack of transparency. I already mentioned there might be valid reasons but this clearly seems worldview/politically motivated.
Go check out the modlog, its publicly visible. It's their instance, they can do what they want. If you dislike how the admins handle their server's federation status, make your own. I'm going to eventually because I want to control what I'm federated with, but for now I accept that I'm at the instance admin's mercy.
Shifting control to randos via federation is a double edged sword. This is the downside, from your perspective.
Bro I am already planning on making my own for other reasons. What's the matter with someone asking questions or reasons for a ban? I know I can leave and probably will. This is a much needed conversation. Don't like when users let themselves to be treated as babies. That's why corporations do what they want with us.
There is nothing wrong with asking questions, you just seem to be taking the answers in a negative light and getting insulted by them. The fact that people are replying, is the conversation but it won't go anywhere. You won't change their minds. Make your own instance and be happy instead of getting upset. Be the change you want.
You fundamentally do not understand that I do not feel like I am being treated like a baby. I have zero interest in seeing tankie shit from lemmygrad. I signed up onto an instance that defederated from lemmygrad. The mods did not make an announcement, but the deferedation was publicly visible from logs. I am not bothered by this.
You're free to ask "why were the users not consulted or informed?" but you must also accept that "because we didn't want to" is a complete answer. If you don't like the answer given, then move on. The operators are not a corporation, you are not entitled to any specific level of service. Why you choose to get hostile when someone explains this to you is beyond me.
Best of luck in your lemmy adventure.