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[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Holodomor

The term Holodomor (death by hunger, in Ukrainian) refers to the starvation of millions of Ukrainians in 1932–33 as a result of Soviet policies.

Ah yes, the well known leftist government on 1930s Soviet Russia...

[–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Someday we'll find a true Scotsman

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If I say I'm being persecuted as a Scotsman and someone points out I have never been to Scotland and have no Scottish heritage, that's not a "no true Scotsman" fallacy because I don't meet the definition of Scotsman no matter how much I claim to be one.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You: "Hey dude, could you pass me that can of Coke?"

Sane person: "Huh? There's no coke here. No cans of anything."

You: "What do you mean? That right there-" points to bottle of orange juice

Sane person: "Wtf? This isn't a can of coke!"

You: "Pfft, so it doesn't meet your fake standards. No True Scotsman!!"

Edited to add names for clarity.

[–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

More like

"Here's your coke"

"This is orange juice"

"What are you, an idiot? This is clearly orange juice, why would you think it's coke? Here's a coke"

"Still orange juice"

"Well you see, coke is made from sugar and artificial flavors, and orange juice is made from orange. That's why orange juice isn't coke."

Nah you're right, this isn't No True Scotsman, just regular gaslighting

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How did you somehow misunderstand my comment so badly? Okay, I edited it for clarity.

You are the one who, in this instance, is trying to insist orange juice is in fact coke. You are the one claiming no true scotsman.

Even in your attempt to twist it, you still include an explanation of why "no true scotsman" just doesn't apply here. What you are calling communism does not meet any definition of communism, just as no orange juice meets the definition of coke.