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[–] qantravon@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Oh no, who are we going to blame our refusal to lower emissions on now?

/s

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

India probably, or just generically "the third world"

[–] Aradia@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

But USA is also failing, Los Angeles was the city with most dense pollution.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2018/08/23/the-ten-most-polluted-cities-on-earth/

"Los Angeles is the most toxic city in America, the tenth in the world, with the 7th highest PM10 air pollution levels at 57 PM10, and a light pollution score of 10,900 μcd/m2. Chicago and New York ranked in 21st and 26th place, respectively."

And I think things went worse in 2023.

Ok, I found this: https://www.iqair.com/world-air-quality-ranking
Seem China still on all top.

[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev -5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Who is "we" exactly? Most developed countries have reduced their emissions so much that they've been producing less CO2 per Capita than China for a very long time (like, a decade for the whole of the EU if I remember correctly).

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capita-vs-gdppc?zoomToSelection=true&endpointsOnly=1&time=earliest..latest&country=CYP~DNK~FIN~FRA~DEU~ITA~NLD~POL~PRT~SVK~ESP~SWE~GBR~CHN~JPN~USA

And I see you coming, no, it's not because China exports lots of stuff for the rest of the world: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/production-vs-consumption-co2-emissions?country=CHN~OWID_EU27

[–] qantravon@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I was calling out the (mostly conservatives) who repeatedly say that we shouldn't make any effort to reduce emissions because "China is worse".

[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev -1 points 11 months ago

Yeah, screw them. Let's also not pretend that China is the bar to pass either. Two things can be bad.