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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 74 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Suppressive fire is already an obselete doctrine. That's why the British army is replacing their machine guns with DMRs (Canadian military may be heading in the same direction).

Turns out turning a motherfuckers head into a fine red mist with a 7.62 tends to make everyone else around them really eager to seek cover. The threat of a well placed shot has a far better suppressing effect than the reality of a bunch of inaccurate fire.

[–] FocusFire@lemm.ee 37 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

What's with the credible takes?

Sir this is NCD

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 48 points 9 months ago (4 children)

May I propose a fully-automatic, belt-fed 7.62 sniper rifle as a noncredible happy medium?

[–] Narrrz@kbin.social 17 points 9 months ago

borderlands has entered the chat

[–] FocusFire@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago

Now this is the quality content I come here for

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think you meant to say .22LR APFSDS DMGG (designated marksman gatling gun)

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

Does anyone hear a popcorn machine?

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

It's just the car gun from The Jackal.

[–] cro_magnon_gilf@sopuli.xyz 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Curious where you found a credible take.

This "we're past machine guns now" thing has been tried multiple times before, including by the brits.

our rifles will shoot better instead

our rifles will shoot more instead

I wonder what MG they'll get after this doesn't work

[–] Stuka@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Sounds more like somebody doesn't want to spend as much on small arms ammo than found a superior infantry doctrine

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 12 points 9 months ago

I'd imagine a sniper is probably one of the most effective ways to suppress a group. They probably don't know where the shots are coming from, and don't know when it's safe to move again.

Having said that, I would imagine there are situations where traditional suppression is better. A hail of bullets against the side of an APC is probably terrifying even if none of them are getting through. It's going to be tough to get someone to open the hatch as the bullets are flying in. But, with designated marksmen only, you'd have to wait until the enemy tries to get out of the APC and then make a tough shot to hit them as they do.

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

So, basically what the USSR did ? (IIRC, machine gunners and sharpshooters carrying some semi auto scoped rifle were basically interchangeable in their doctrine, at least during WW2)

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

Turning the Brit's own standard of having officers walk instead of run into something like the end of Planet Terror.