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[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I think you fundamental misunderstand what military spending like the f35 is for. It's purpose is to keep a war (like China invading Tiwan) from happening because the other side knows that it won't do well. A successful system isn't necessarily one that does well in combat, but one that keeps the fight from happening in the first place. Since war is so astronomically expensive, even extremely expensive systems are worth it to prevent war.

Also, compare to other modern fighters. F22 is something like 5x the price, it's 20M cheaper than the f15ex, and is only about 15M more expensive than the super hornet. It offers a high stealth capability at a significantly lower price point and higher quality than the f22.

If you buy into the amount of combat power needed to deter a war (I think it should be much lower than current US estimates, but I guess Russia still managed to miscalculate) then they're a good investment. Any which way, they're a good modern addition to a very high tech fighting force.

Here's more info on the f16 vs f35 tests you might be referencing. https://youtu.be/R_aID6_naNU

Here's a good overview of the f35 and what capabilities it brings to the table. https://youtu.be/7SNALUoybt0

Both by Alex Hollings, award winning aviation journalist.

[–] yagurlreese@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

also F-35 Fighter Jet Problems Affect the Whole US Military Aircraft Fleet https://www.businessinsider.com/ongoing-f35-fighter-jet-problems-affect-whole-us-military-fleet-2023-1?amp

F-35 Aircraft: DOD and the Military Services Need to Reassess the ... https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-105341 F-35 fighter jets 'mission capable' only 55% of the time, watchdog report finds https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2023-09-21/f35-jets-crash-repairs-11446626.html

Not a Lot of F-35s Are Flying Right Now - Popular Mechanics https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a42912833/f-35-availability-problems/

Inside America's Dysfunctional Trillion-Dollar Fighter-Jet Program https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/magazine/f35-joint-strike-fighter-program.html

do I need to keep going? or are you going to try to keep gas lighting me into agreeing that actually you're right all the f35 spending is justified and its actually not just a collasal fuck up?

[–] yagurlreese@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago

you're so dellusional mate if you think it's the f35 program keeping china from invading and not our deep economic ties with them. f22 is more but it didn't cost trillions to make.

not a good point. and no that is not the purpose of military spending that's the propaganda lockee heed Martin lobbiest shrill to our idiotic Congress people.

sheesh we are doomed because people like your need to bend over backwards to justify outrageous military spending. and no I'm not thinking of the f16 tests, I'm thinking of the literal pilots that call the f35 a sack of shit

also a higher stealth capability... for what mate for what we already have uavs for recon. military satellites. tapped into the grid of the entire world through back doors in like phones and shir.

we don't need a fucking jet and nothing you say will ever change that. you're literally justifting bullshit.

us not putting money into dumb shit like this won't change the fact that we are the world's largest nuclear power. thats the real thing keeping war at bay it's MAD not some jet bro when we have literally arsenal a on arsenals already of just aircraft CARRIERS

like what are you on about