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All MS software should be considered spyware.
It's just a shame that Outlook doesn't really have an alternative with the same level of functionality (not without spending a while adding on a bunch of add-ons anyway), and many workplaces (including mine) enforce use of Outlook and other MS software.
Honestly don't mind when workplaces enforce X or Y. It's not like any of my personal stuff goes on the work equipment anyway, nor is work stuff going on my personal equipment.
Fair enough. Unfortunately some bosses force staff to have Outlook and/or Teams on their personal phones as well. I hate it.
depend in what country you work, i can't answer for you, but for me(brasil) is literally against the law
That's good. Everywhere should be like that!
Yea, you want shit on my phone? Give me a work phone.
As an enterprise IT geek of 30 years, having work stuff on personal devices is a hard no, unless you're doing a managed containerized setup like decent MDM does.
But anyone with that setup likely wouldn't force users to use their personal device, because they know how problematic that is.
Some bosses should be told "No".
Don’t worry there actively working on making outlook as functional as the alternatives.
The “new version” appears like the browser version in a wrapper. So many features are just missing, like pinning a shared mailbox to your favorites.
The bullshit of hiding access to previously available features (i.e. editing distribution lists in the client version), to force migration is just evil, IMO.
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Learn basic grammar
How many languages can you speak perfectly?
My english is self taught so il take it as a compliment that you regard me as a native speaker.
Maybe learn to be less entitled and happy that the majority of the internet is a language you understand.
A lot of native English speaking people don’t seem to understand that the grand majority of the world doesn’t have English as a native language, and while it is a known phenomenon, it’s still quite sad when a perfectly well formulated and understood message is replied with “learn basic grammar”
Wonder how they fare in any large town or tourist destination where the grand majority are foreigners that speak with accents and broken grammar 🤔
Or just going around the US with different accents and language patterns.
"Wooter" for water, "warsh" for wash, hell, let's take a trip to Appalachia, that would probably send M137 into a tizzy!
Goddamn, your English is fantastic, I wouldn't have a clue it was a second language, let alone self-taught!
I know plenty of native speakers who are far worse (just hang out here for a while).
Also, autoincorrect likes to screw with us all.
How's Thunderbird nowadays?
They just had their first major overhaul in the last decade+ and are looking pretty shiny:
https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/07/our-fastest-most-beautiful-release-ever-thunderbird-115-supernova-is-here/
Personally I haven't had a chance to check it out because I just use my browser for personal email & my work mail is hosted through Microsoft so there's no pretending not using Outlook at work does anything for me.
That said, I am eagerly waiting for them to give the same treatment to the soon-to-be merged Thunderbird & K9 mail so I can use that for my personal mail on my phone
i have some clients using thunderbird. i scrambled to get prepared for the onslaught of phone calls when theirs got auto-updated to the new ui. all for naught. didn't get a single call from anyone getting 'lost'. they did a good job with the refresh.
I use Thunderbird for it's spam filter and have some very in-depth email filtering rules configured for some old emails that receive large amount of spam and phishing emails. I don't open it super frequently, and honestly didn't notice when it got the UI overhaul (I think it was slowly over a few updates, but I honestly don't know) but i do really like rhe direction its heading
I've been using Thunderbird for a good decade or more, and honestly it's got the best email filtering rules builder of any email client I've used. The spam detection has only gotten better at detecting junk spoofed emails over time, it also always displays the email address as well as the name so it's easy to spot when something funky might be happening and the recent UI tweaks they've been making are very well thought out. Oh and they added an option to export/backup your profile to a compressed archive so I no longer have to copy the same
.thunderbirdfolder from computer to computer and every time I install a new Linux distroGood as always for me. The only issue is syncing contacts and calenders with MS-Exchange Servers, for that you need plugins and I haven't really found a good combination, but I don't know if my workplace is at fault too.
The newest release is visually awful. It drove me crazy and I had to downgrade back to the last stable (102). The content density was wildly inconsistent and text would be squished in one area and really spaced out in another. The toolbar moved so action buttons were in the title bar area, away from where your mouse would be (compared to before) if you're interacting with your inbox.
Other than that, the old version works just fine. Multiple email accounts, calendar and contacts. It does the job. Minor nitpicks, like dark mode doesn't dark evwrything, you still have to manually change your reading window colours. But at least it's once and done.
I'm finding it to be very slow too. I move messages from my Gmail inbox to folders on Gmail with it, and it used to take a second or two with occasional slowdowns, but now it almost always takes 5 -10 seconds. Everything seems slower.
The UI is customizable so you can increase or decrease the density of text. I personally like my text dense, but the important thing is that it's a simple settings option to change.
I also love the new layout, but I think with any UI refresh, there will be people who would hate it even if it was just objectively better.
Thunderbird's current state is the best it's ever been
The problem is the inconsistency. The new UI has it so that the inbox is way more dense than the folders, no matter which density level you choosem
Fantastic! I just wish they would get the Android version released sooner. Although FairEmail is awesome too!
I switched from outlook when MS announced the new plan for outlook and honestly it's been great.
If workspaces want to facilitate industrial espionage, who am I to complain!?