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A tweet from the George Takei Twitter account which states:

"A Democrat was in the White House when my family was sent to the internment camps in 1941. It was an egregious violation of our human and civil rights.

It would have been understandable if people like me said they’d never vote for a Democrat again, given what had been done to us.

But being a liberal, being a progressive, means being able to look past my own grievances and concerns and think of the greater good. It means working from within the Democratic party to make it better, even when it has betrayed its values.

I went on to campaign for Adlai Stevenson when I became an adult. I marched for civil rights and had the honor of meeting Dr. Martin Luther King. I fought for redress for my community and have spent my life ensuring that America understood that we could not betray our Constitution in such a way ever again.

Bill Clinton broke my heart when he signed DOMA into law. It was a slap in the face to the LGBTQ community. And I knew that we still had much work to do. But I voted for him again in 1996 despite my misgivings, because the alternative was far worse. And my obligation as a citizen was to help choose the best leader for it, not to check out by not voting out of anger or protest.

There is no leader who will make the decision you want her or him to make 100 percent of the time. Your vote is a tool of hope for a better world. Use it wisely, for it is precious. Use it for others, for they are in need of your support, too."

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The last paragraph I find particularly powerful and something more people really should take into account.

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[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I recognise the problems. The issue that that your solution to those problems is to make them all worse, burn democracy to the ground and cause a bunch of genocides because that'll somehow magically make it better.

I think I might have overestimated you when I called you an accelerationist - between the incoherent pseudo-leftist nonsense, American diabolist leanings, "fixing" things by electing fascists, performative third-party nonsense, and calling everyone a lib... Are you a Jimmy Dore fan?

The fascists are the enemy - you're just their useful idiot... and what an idiot you are.

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Lol okay you're just making things up out of anger at this point cause you can't find any faults with what I've said. If I was accelerationist I'd say vote GOP but I'm not, strategically vote Democrat so the process is slower, build labor power and fight the economic system that is causing fascism to rise. Just don't act like you're high and mighty or exceptionally intelligent for voting for the less bad Democrats because they're part of this system too.

Your politics is determined by the economic conditions you're in and what advances your material interests in that arrangement, you don't really have control over that. You have ideaology, which is the difference between the values you think you hold with those that advance your material interests. Structural stresses change these conditions and alter the political ideology which people believe advances their interests. That's happening all the time independent of individual human agency. This is basic dialectics and I also subscribe to Niklas Luhmann's social systems theory. If you want to actually know my point of view rather than making up weird shit to get internet-angry at.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Have I not made it crystal clear that I don't give a fuck, so long as you vote to keep the fascists out on election day, and then work to improve things at any other moment in the election cycle?

The fact that you keep coming back to disagree with me and call me a lib when you're doing exactly what I'm advocating for is unhinged.

I'm uninterested in the rest of your nonsense (particularly given your deeply weird behavior), and there's no value in dismantling it.

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Have I not made it crystal clear that I don’t give a fuck

Kinda more like the opposite

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

What else have I expressed concern about, champ?