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Tomato sauce purist you say...
You realize tomatoes are not native to Europe at all? They are native to South America and weren't introduced to Italy until the 1500s. Even if you consider pizza at all to be Italian, the pizzas we know are a far cry from true Italian pizza.
Was there even pre-tomato pizza though?
Yup. Pizza as a word to mean a flatbread with toppings pre-date the arrival of tomatoes in Europe by a good 1400 years ish.
Just like how ketchup originally was just kind of a type of plant matter derived sauce with a runny consistency that utilized a fair amount of salt. Tomato ketchup was at one point a fairly new fangled novelty as for the longest time the favoured version of it was made of mushrooms.
The tomato more than most tends to just take over certain parts of food culture and drives out all other varieties. It's kind of the cuckoo of the food world.
What in the fuck?
Yeah that sound terrible.
I’d try it.
Go on then https://www.realfoods.co.uk/ProductImagesID/9430_1.jpg
I might have to try it as well.
Ooh. Looks like it’s available on Amazon in the states. The reviews are good but seems like it’s almost more of a steak sauce than ketchup in texture/taste.
I sometimes watch this 18th century cooking show on YouTube and saw that a while ago and was surprised since we consider tomatoes synonymous with ketchup. IIRC mushroom ketchup has more of a consistency to Worcestershire sauce than tomato ketchup.
I guess every culture that came to the conclusion to make some kind of bread at some point in time eventually put stuff on that bread. Like leftovers. The question is, do we call that a pizza... Or is it a flat sandwich or something...
This website should answer your question: https://cuberule.com/
This is amazing. I feel enlightened and the cube is my new religion. I must spread the word and tell everyone that pizzas are toasts and hotdogs are tacos.
Thank you! I will use this knowledge to be even more of an annoyance and smart-ass to my surroundings. It's perfect...
Do NOT open the "is this a sandwich" argument! 😱 😀
Yeah it just had spaghetti or a crème sauce on top instead.
Excuse me what is spaghetti sauce without tomatoes?
Not spaghetti sauce, spaghetti
Just noodles on top of dough?
Starch game be like
Hey don't ask me, ask spacecowboy
Yeah what you said!
Bread was invented in Egypt so by your standards "true Italian" pizza can't have that either.
~Carl Sagan
Pretty sure there were other places in Africa and the Middle East where bread making technology was being developed.
My favorite kinda pizza comes from Detroit. Runner up: Chicago. Italian style pizza isn't even in contention :P
And how many times have you actually left the US in your life?
Probably more than most Americans. Dozens of times? I haven't kept count.
Why the personal jab tho? I'm just sharing my pizza opinions.
I'm pretty sure you can leave America and still like American-style pizza, what with it being sold in many, many other countries too.