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Who's winning the war in Ukraine? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by Subject6051@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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The media won't give me great answers to this question and I think this I trust this community more, thus I want to know from you. Also, I have heard reports that Russia was winning the war, if that's true, did the west miscalculate the situation by allowing diplomacy to take a backseat and allowing Ukraine to a large plethora of military resources?

PS: I realize there are many casualties on both sides and I am not trying to downplay the suffering, but I am curious as to how it is going for Ukraine. Right now I am hearing ever louder calls of Russia winning, those have existed forever, but they seem to have grown louder now, so I was wondering what you thought about it. Also, I am somewhat concerned of allowing a dictatorship to just erase at it's convenience a free and democratic country.

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[–] Ciel@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

the us military industrial complex's investors seems to be winning real good

[+] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee -12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Let me guess, can't bring yourself to say Russia is winning?

[–] Subject6051@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I mean, I don't want Russia to win, but I have no problem with accepting facts where I see them. I think almost everyone here would agree that both the countries involved have lost much more than they can ever gain out of this war.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Russia is totally burning through crazy amounts of men and material, at an unsustainable level, without any advancements. So there is absolutely no "Russia wins" on the horizon.

I also think that Ukrainian freedom is what Ukraine thinks is worth more than anything.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago

More to the point, Ukrainian freedom isn't the empty, abstract "freedom" you see so many American politicians talk about. It's freedom from Russian rule, and since the start of the war, Russia has been showing us exactly how much that kind of freedom is worth.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 0 points 11 months ago

You make it sound like this is a voluntary war for both sides, but it's not. Only Russia chose to invade Ukraine, and they can choose to go back home and end it tomorrow. Ukraine is fighting because it was attacked and it's people are still living under occupation.