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    [–] Shadywack@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    I couldn't disagree more with you, and I truly feel that the lack of being direct is why we have an overwhelming amount of mediocrity in the "professional" corporate world. When everyone is just nice and we go the passive aggressive route, or have constructive feedback in the vein of "I can see you worked sooooo hard on this", we get garbage.

    If you want people to do their minimums, "act your wage" and all that shit, put your efforts accordingly. If you're trying to be a part of something excellent and eschew mediocrity, then give your best or fuck off.

    [–] radioactiveradio@lemm.ee 32 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Well there's a difference between "it's not good enough" and " fuck you you fucking code fart". Being direct doesn't equate to being an asshole. You can be direct while also being respectable and polite. But it's still funny watching people lose this shit.

    [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    " fuck you you fucking code fart"

    Linus didn't call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying "I don't want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again".

    How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.

    [–] radioactiveradio@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

    No, that was just an example. I just meant it comes off as aggressive as all. Especially the Stfu part

    [–] uis@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

    How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.

    I would say I did read not only this email, but whole chain, but I did not complain to say that.

    [–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

    Most people would agree middle ground is better, but lots of people see the raw anger as refreshing and real

    [–] uis@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

    ENOENT is not a valid error return from an ioctl. Never has been, never will be. ENOENT means "No such file and directory", and is for path operations. ioctl's are done on files that have already been opened, there's no way in hell that ENOENT would ever be valid.

    Sounds more like "it's not good enough".

    [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    I can see you worked sooooo hard on this

    No Mauro obviously didn't which is the fucking problem.

    If you don't want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn't just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.

    On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they're responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people's lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it's going to feel bad.

    [–] Shadywack@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

    Absolutely, and rightfully so. When you fail to account for good craftsman ship, you deliver a shitty build or people get killed at worst.

    [–] uis@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

    "I can see you worked sooooo hard on this"

    This isn't constructive, but reflects what people usually asking for.

    [–] thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago

    Dude, thank you, totally agree. Anyone with skin thin enough to be hurt by this kind of corrective force shouldn't even be in the conversation. Not sure why people are offended by this on here but when you engineer critical systems you damn well should know better by now.

    [–] riricaru@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

    and I truly feel that the lack of being direct is why we have an overwhelming amount of mediocrity

    I think you hit the nail in the head with this. This is probably one of the main reasons why everything is garbage in recent years. Post-modernism reigns supreme, every idea is now a "good idea".